EX-Prez Carter to meet with Hamas...
 

This should be interesting...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...mas/index.html

Hope he takes some peanuts along...;)

Good for him. I'm for just about anything that will upset the "status quo" in this regard.

nothing wrong with talking.

During the cold war when the propaganda was predicting that either the Soviets or the Chines (or both) were bent on world domination and the end of freedom, we talked to them.

That is one of the many things that frustrates me about the current administration. They seen afraid to talk to anyone but our allies.

Talking does not mean agreement
Talking does not mean surrender

Talking does lead to understanding so perhaps that's why this administration is reluctant. We already know everything and how everyone thinks and what everyone wants:nope:

One of the silliest arguments against talking is that the "bad guys" can spin a meeting with the United States for their propaganda purposes. Here's a news flash: Doing anything can be spun for propaganda... even not doing something can be spun. So we might as well talk.... unless there is another reason we don't want to talk :hmm:

Me too. I thought it was in the Baker - Hamilton Report regarding Iraq that dialog with other "involved nations" was given high regard. Yet the Bush Administration appears to have a "deaf" ear when it comes to dialogs...

Hamas is first and foremost a terrorist organization. A president(even a past president) talking to them sets a bad precedence. It will be seen as a propaganda feather in their cap. I'm not against dialog but it should be low level. Carter is dead wrong doing this.

Agreed absolutely. :yep: Talking should be done at a lower level and behind the scenes. What was former US President Carter thinking? :-?

Ok, just being the Devils Advocate...

Only the militant wings of Hamas is "officially" considered "terrorist". Yes, the Hamas govenment is described as a "group involved in terrorist attacks" but they did legitimately win a majority of seats in the legislative council of the Palestinian Authority...

How "low level" would we have to be to initiate a dialog? I doubt that if the US send a junior attache from the US Embassy to talk, that any good would come from it. Higher level "official" dialogs between Hamas, Israel, US, et al have failed to produce any significant results and I'm pretty certain there were "lower level" discussions as well...

The world is told that progess is being made and time after time, we see an "accord" between the two groups, only to be "busted" by one or the other.

One thing Carter can do is bring more notice to the situation perhaps...

Think in the end its all going to have to boil down to talking. Take Northern Ireland for example. 30 Years of terrorism, killings and destruction; brought to an end by talking. Military action can only do so much.

More notice to the situation? How much more notice of the Palestinian problem does the world need? It's been a nearly daily news item for the past 40 years. Carter of all people is not going to change that.

This is Jimy Carter we're talking about. He has been playing self appointed diplomat for well over a decade now with no more success than he had during his presidency.

That's the point. This situation hasn't changed in decades. I don't see why the administration is upset as, AFAIK, all "official' channels have led to nothing... What I'm saying is "Why not?". What further "damage" can be done that hasn't already? I can't see where using ex-Prez Carter in any propaganda will change anything either... The worst that can happen is, what? That these people will continue to kill one another? Status Quo...
Who knows?

Agreed!

To respond to this one, if Hamas was legitimately elected to a legitimate governmental body, then that makes the actions of the entire party a governmental action.

Hamas was the group in charge when members of Hamas kidnapped an Israeli soldier by the name of Gilad Shalit in 2006. As you've already established that Hamas legitimately was elected to a legitimate government body, then that means that the actions of its members represent the actions of the Palestinian government. I don't know what you call the kidnapping of one government's agent by another government's agent, but AFAIK, it's called an act of war.

You cannot separate "Hamas" from "Hamas' militant wing." They are one and the same, sharing the same ideas and views. You cannot simply select the parts of Hamas that you want to and not hold them responsible for Hamas' actions.

A treaty or deal or agreement with a terror organisation that is totally hostile to what is valued in Western culture is worth nothing. They will play ball only as long as they see fit. I usually have a good opinion of Carter, but this time I totally disagree with him, completely. Every word negotiated with Hamas is a waste of breath.

Well actually the worst that could happen was to have a former US presidents head sawn off on al jazzera, but seriously I'd rather not see a him played like the chump I know he will be.

I do suppose however that a little official displeasure by the Bush administration might give Carter some stock in whatever negotiations he's going to attempt.

Let's hope not, on both points!
Again, why not? Nothing else has worked, and perhaps it might spur a little more "urgency" from the BA. Now THAT would good on GWB's resume... achieving some long lasting peace between Palestine and Israel... One can only hope..

Carter won the Nobel peace prize in 2002. :cool:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/e...bel/index.html

"Carter has been repeatedly nominated for the prize, worth $1 million, and came close to winning in 1978 when he brought Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat together to sign the Camp David Peace Accords"

He can self appoint any time he wants.:up: :yep:

This is just dumb. All this is doing is acknowledging Hamas's legitimacy to exist and at the same time, telling people that they are practically a recognized government. Maybe we will all get lucky and Carter will be assassinated. That way it will be a message the the rest of the world of what it is exactly that you are dealing with.

-S

Wow you are hoping a former head of state of your country be assassinated.

:down: :down: :down: :down:

Or are you just trolling?

My opinion:

That is disgusting and I dont see how you can say crap like that!

Figuratively. But he deserves it for going there against everyones wishes.

Even the Israelies refused to give him a security detail - basically they say the same thing through actions. They are ticked.

-S

Meaning the Bush Administration and the Israelis... Hey, the man is still a citizen of a free country. If he wants to meet with someone, how dare the BA or anybody interfere or critisize. He has made his intention plain enough, no cloak and dagger, no backroom deals...

Not giving him a security detail has probably saved his life... Who knows where a bullet might come from...

So what? This is the United States of America and since when do we cowtow to Israel? I hope they stay ticked. Might be interesting to find out just what Hamas has to say that isn't filtered through US and Israeli bias...

Bush never said anything that I know of. He has been counciled away from doing this however by many parties, most non-political

Tell that to the Secret Service - they are all ticked that he has become a possible target because of this and they don't have the capability to protect him without the Isralies help.

Hardly. You'll get a bunch of propaganda - that is the only for sure thing there is, besides the fact that you are boosting Hamas's credibility throughout the world by having an Ex US President pay them respect. Say what you will, but this is the worst idea ever. Maybe Carter is working to redeem himself from a pathetic presidency, so he is shooting for a jackpot in a casino that is known for taking your money.

-S

C'mon S, we're going to get the propaganda anyway...

So what has paying them NO respect gotten us?

"Pathetic" presidency or not (to each his own, I liked him). Not everyone wins the Nobel Prize... so I wouldn't judge his actions solely based on his term in office...