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SUBMAN1 04-04-08 02:15 PM

Al Gore has lost it
 
http://www.wecansolveit.org/

He owns this site. Maybe he hasn't noticed the record cold temps outside lately. Snow in Iraq as first snow there in recorded history, China with the coldest temps in 100 years, worst cold in the US country wide in recorded history. Where is this warming exactly?

I guess he wants to be on top of something since he's failed at anything real. :p

-S

Tchocky 04-04-08 02:30 PM

Context

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"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming.

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming.

Yes - it has been heating up since the 1800's and our mini ice age. It is now peaked and heading the other direction. No way to stop another Ice Age. Not even if we gave every person on the planet an SUV and told them to drive 25K miles a year each.

-S

CCIP 04-04-08 02:48 PM

And that's the point. To me any excuse to stop the SUV's is a good excuse :roll:

AVGWarhawk 04-04-08 03:11 PM

Today's earth warming news....please hand me my parka:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP
And that's the point. To me any excuse to stop the SUV's is a good excuse :roll:

Epecially the ones piloted by cell phone talking mommies. And yes, they are piloted - since they are self guided missiles waiting to cause destruction! I have an SUV, but I use it to haul stuff. Besides, it will suck a $100 bill down at one gas stop. I drive my SAAB instead most time. The SAAB pulls in 30 MPG.

-S

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Today's earth warming news....please hand me my parka:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

Anyone that has taken 5th grade science knows that we are headed for an Ice Age. That is why this AL Gore stuff annoys me.

Of course 1 in 4 Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth, and I can see some on Subsim think so too.

-S

August 04-04-08 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by CCIP
And that's the point. To me any excuse to stop the SUV's is a good excuse :roll:

Epecially the ones piloted by cell phone talking mommies. And yes, they are piloted - since they are self guided missiles waiting to cause destruction! I have an SUV, but I use it to haul stuff. Besides, it will suck a $100 bill down at one gas stop. I drive my SAAB instead most time. The SAAB pulls in 30 MPG.

-S

Does the increased gas savings of the Saab make up for the 2nd insurance payment?

Tchocky 04-04-08 03:18 PM

We're seeing short-term cooling due to La Nina, not an Ice Age.
The article makes that more than clear.

August 04-04-08 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
We're seeing short-term cooling due to La Nina, not an Ice Age.
The article makes that more than clear.

"Short term" cooling since 1998?

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by August
Does the increased gas savings of the Saab make up for the 2nd insurance payment?

I get a discount. Once you are insuring one more thing with a single company, you pay much less than normal.

-S

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by August
"Short term" cooling since 1998?

On top of that, the Arctic generated the record most ever recorded additional Ice Pack ever recorded this year. I'm worried that Ice pack is going to visit my backyard in the future.

-S

August 04-04-08 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by August
Does the increased gas savings of the Saab make up for the 2nd insurance payment?

I get a discount. Once you are insuring one more thing with a single company, you pay much less than normal.

-S

I'm just wondering about the break even point. By having a second vehicle you are saving gas but paying more in insurance and other vehicle related costs. Does the former outweigh the latter?

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by August
I'm just wondering about the break even point. By having a second vehicle you are saving gas but paying more in insurance and other vehicle related costs. Does the former outweigh the latter?

I'm sure I'm paying more for the luxury if you figure out the math, but not much more. I feel safer in the Saab anyway. Its saved my bacon a few times by being nimble. I use the SUV for hauling and off-roading. Finding good places to shoot requires good 4x4.

-S

AVGWarhawk 04-04-08 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Today's earth warming news....please hand me my parka:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

Anyone that has taken 5th grade science knows that we are headed for an Ice Age. That is why this AL Gore stuff annoys me.

Of course 1 in 4 Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth, and I can see some on Subsim think so too.

-S

The earth revolves around the sun?????:o Who knew? I posted this up Subman because, like you, I think Al Gore is about as qualified to make his statements on global warming as I'm qualified to make statements on the inner core of Pluto. The earth is doing it's thing naturally. Are humans helping or hindering in some respects? I think so. But not as much as Al seems to think we do as he jets around burning up jet fuel like a Banshi. Do I see us at 100 degrees year around by 2050? No. Al is smart though, he is making mad cash selling books and doing tours. Obama said he can be in his cabinet. How sweet. I just feel so cheery inside.:roll:

Tchocky 04-04-08 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by August
"Short term" cooling since 1998?

On top of that, the Arctic generated the record most ever recorded additional Ice Pack ever recorded this year. I'm worried that Ice pack is going to visit my backyard in the future.

-S

August - Not cooling per se, rather stasis.
Quote:

This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory. But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend - and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any particular year is larger than these small temperature differences. What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.


SUBMAN - can you provide a link for that ice? the most recent I can find says that the recent cold has helped Arctic ice back to "near normal" levels after the lowest ever area recorded in summer 2007.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...rctic-ice.html

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
The earth revolves around the sun?????:o ...

Imagine that! :D

-S

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
SUBMAN - can you provide a link for that ice? the most recent I can find says that the recent cold has helped Arctic ice back to "near normal" levels after the lowest ever area recorded in summer 2007.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...rctic-ice.html

Its been a month since I read that. Maybe... Its known news though so it shouldn't be hard to find I would think.

-S

Tchocky 04-04-08 03:46 PM

Something from two weeks ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080318/sc_nm/ice_arctic_dc

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The thickest, oldest and toughest sea ice around the North Pole is melting, a bad sign for the future of the Arctic ice cap, NASA satellite data showed on Tuesday.

"Thickness is an indicator of long-term health of sea ice, and that's not looking good at the moment," Walt Meier of the National Snow and Ice Data Center told reporters in a telephone briefing.

This adds to the litany of disturbing news about Arctic sea ice, which has been retreating over the last three decades, especially last year, when it ebbed to its lowest level.

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Could be, but then again, it will be back. AN example is Greenland that has had record levels of melting 6 times in 20 years, but it comes back. Not sure anyone can say new or old ice means anything.

AN example of why I don't trust a lot of this data anymore:

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26 minutes agoYesterday, dailytech covered shocking allegations by an esteemed sea-level expert that the IPCC modified climate data and committed other violations in an attempt to falsely portray accelerating sea level rising. Arctic ice melt spurs a dire new warning Boston GlobeGreenland ice melting away at record rate, report finds Houston ChronicleBoise Weekly - Daily Green - Philadelphia Inquirer - AHNall 385 news articles
Pretty sad.

-S


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