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Spain, Portugal and Others-no naval forces?
From Venezuela Peru to Egypt....
wich DDs did they actually use? Some Nations only have the armed Merchant (the tugboat type), The French Fries can be happy to have their Bourrasque DDs, but eh, what about Spain? What about the French Big Boys? Netherlands? they had a Coastal defense ship didnt they? no DDs for the Netherlanders? if we gave them a Hunt I, would that be unfair? I cannot believe that the Fins aint got no proper Warships either... with so much coast? what about "Niobe"? was that not one of theirs? The goal is to give each nation at least some sort of Naval Forces in the rooster, an A/B Class DD is better than no DD at all! Hell even the Poles got some better Ships (V/W DDs in `39) than the Netherlands Navy! what do you say? |
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nothing against them Poles, i had a Polish Grandma myself... but eh, why do these other Nations not speak up? Hell if Luxembourg Had Had (HAD had) a Navy back then, i would want each one of our DDs Gunboats and Minelayers in the Game. and Aircraft Carriers and BBs too. SOOOOOOOOOOO the NL had some proper ass DDs, from 1925 onwards. maybe we can base them on the VW or C Class Hulls and reequip them with older guns and weaker AAA? something for the moding forum. |
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If you can find it locally Richard Worths "Fleets of World War II" Da Capo press is worth it and cheap these days. but getting harder to find. M |
http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/
Seems like the Dutch had at least Town and N class DD's, as well as several ships of their own design. Not to forget the O class subs, which resemble the British S class found in the game (gwx2) |
it would be a good idea to add ships to the netherlands and stuff.
but isnt that more a question for the mod department? sturmer |
WW2 ships of European nations
Hi Everyone,
I seem to detect some sneering at European navies of WW2. Basically, if a country had a coastline it had a navy and some good ships. The Dutch had a respectable force but unfortunately got decimated in the Pacific under Admiral Karel Doorman, mainly due to the lack of a common language in the T.F. A look at WWW.netherlandsnavy.nl will show what I mean. The Poles also had a useful navy, including submarines. The Spanish were 'neutral'????? so didn't come into the equation. R.R. |
Netherland
~~~~~~~~~~ Sea C3Cargo.cfg CHT.cfg COFlower.cfg < NL CO Frisio COT.cfg DDNClass.cfg < NL Van Galen\NL Tjerk Hiddes DDTown.cfg < HNMS Campbeltown FFRiverClass.cfg < HNMS Johan Maurits van Nassau FishBoatL.cfg FishingBoat.cfg FishingBoat1.cfg FishingBoat2.cfg GRA.cfg HarbourTugBoat.cfg KBL.cfg KCA.cfg KGN.cfg KLS.cfg KSQ.cfg KSS.cfg LGH.cfg LLS.cfg LSQ.cfg LSS.cfg LTgBoat.cfg LTMS.cfg LTSF.cfg M35B.cfg NECT.cfg NF_boat_4.cfg NOTCW.cfg NRC.cfg NSCT.cfg NWP.cfg OTMS.cfg OTMST2.cfg OTSF.cfg PBTrawler.cfg PTR.cfg SD.cfg < Columbia SJT.cfg TugBoat.cfg Submarine Sclass.cfg < HNMS Zeehond Tclass.cfg < HNMS Zwaardvisch |
In GWX 1.03 i've seen a Dutch DD docked once in Loch Ewe. Unfortunately at that time The Netherlands were still neutral though, so a no go....
I suppose they'll be there in GWX2 aswell but the fact that they are rare compared to some other countries seems historically pretty realistic to me. |
Dutch Navy in action?:D http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...223542_593.jpg
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Looks like the guy on top of the bridge is still doing his job!http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...223710_140.jpg
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Who are you calling a no-naval force????:stare: :stare: :stare: hummm?
We had the famous cod fishing sailling ship fleet called the "White Fleet", after the white sails of the ships. Sailling ships of 3 and 4 masts that sailled all together in a convoy, only with the power of the wind, travelling to the Newfoundland cod banks. http://www.ancruzeiros.pt/ancv-gazela-e.html http://www.whitepinepictures.com/see...2/sidebar.html http://www.ancruzeiros.pt/ancv-creoula.html And if I know anything about creating ships to SH3 I would this fleet and added to the game to one see a neutral convoy of sailling ships leaving Portugal to Newfoundland. :p :p :p :p ;) Eheheheheh |
okokok the dutch are good.
i mean... they were among the top five sailing nations of all times, along with the french, uk, spain and others. what about peru? Mejico? Spain? Portugal? Spain i found nothing on-or mebe looked in a bad direction? any Spaniards in here? Egypt? *insert your favourite country here*? |
Yea, Rhodes, Germany had training shipy like that too, the Gorch Fock and others... actually built during the 1930 period.
What about portuguese Destroyers? Naval Warfare ships between 1939 and 1945? Hell they have F16s today, so they must have dad a PROPER navy back then? |
Yes Spain etc all had warships BUT we dont have them ingame as there arent any models available
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so just have some MERCY, and give them a few four-stackers, or russian subchasers...
recently i fiddled with the Campaign SCR file, and to my horror found that near Coruna/Ferrol/spain the Big arse 25 cm guns were missing, those that defend the whole bay. then i wanted to let them have some patrols at least... and screamt in pain as to what was available for the task. JEEESE let us sell them a few schnellboote, vorpostenboote or Torpedoboote 1924 at the very least!? nobody know the FAIR PLAY concept in here? what would the Spanish goverment defend itself with? throwing shoes? Portugal is just as desperate... if the germans had decided to invade their islands in the atlantic (for uboat and FW200 condor operations) the Portuguese could have used.... armed rawlers to stop them! woah. now that aint nice... |
Well when you create your " whatif " mod you can give them what you like
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Spanish warships 1939.
Cruisers. Canarias Class http://www.historialago.com/av_n_cp_canarias_02.jpg Laid down: 15 August 1928. Launched: 28 May 1931. Completed: September 1936. Retired : December 1975 Cruiser. Cervera Class http://www.historialago.com/av_n_cl_almircervera_01.jpg Laid down: 14 April 1923. Launched: 16 October 1925. Completed: 15 September 1928 Retired : 31 August 1965. Cruiser Miguel De Cervantes http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9...smpl587tn4.jpg Laid down: March 1926. Launched: 18 May 1928. Completed: 14 February 1930 Retired : 1 July 1964. Light Cruiser Mendez Nuñez http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4238/mendeztx6.jpg Laid down: 1915. Launched: July 1922. Completed: September 1924 Retired : 8 February 1964. More info in: http://www.kbismarck.com/mgl/spanishcivwar.htm Regards |
That Canarias Class looks similar to the Italian Zara Heavy Cruiser.. an enterprising modder could probably do something with it.
Spain had at least 2 Battleships at the beginning of the Civil War, I don't know what happened to those Netherlands had some coastal defence ships, those got sunk or captured in 1940 and some Cruisers but most of those were off in the Netherlands East Indies and never encountered any Uboat, but got sunk by the Japanese Finland had Vainamoinen and Ilmarinen Coastal Defence ships, basically non-oceaic battleships, those saw some action against Russia, one was sunk by a mine The whole missing ships issue can be applied to France (especially), Argentina, Brazil and such nations as well there's also a plethora of British cruiser classes missing, but then we're out there to sink merchies not semi-obsolete wwI type cruisers and ummm, Luxembourg? a Navy? :o but why? :D |
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Well we had F-16 but last week one crash so now we have F-15 :rotfl: ( oki, bad little joke). I will look for the naval forces in the WW2 period and then post here.:up: Quote:
Second, Salazar was no dumb man in terms of foreign politics so he manage to conduct things right. And our best weapon if we were invaded, being ourselfs, our way of life, lazyness easing going and "if I can do what I am suppost to do tomorow insted of today", complitly opose to the "german way of doing things" I think that the german arm forces and state of the time would run away after so time... :p |
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