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TarJak 02-07-08 07:51 PM

America's Choice, Our future...
 
An interesting and insightful commentary on the US Presidential race:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/a...e#contentSwap1

SUBMAN1 02-07-08 08:34 PM

W need to spend more on defense.

More F-22's.

More Virginia's.

More on our space infrastructure.

Why? Because the damn world expects us to defend them lately, and no matter how the US likes it or not, any country that falls victim to violence affects our economy, so it is actually in our best interest to make sure they are stable.

-S

Sailor Steve 02-07-08 09:08 PM

But when is it defense and when is it offense? The article is right: we seem to use it lately to browbeat anyone who gets in our way.

I disagree with Obama on a lot of domestic issues, but I'm behind him on this very important foreign policy one.

Onkel Neal 02-07-08 10:18 PM

Good article.

Quote:

Australia has a keen interest in America's wars. We are the only country in the world that has fought alongside the Americans in every major war of the 20th and 21st centuries. When America goes to war, so, historically, do we.
That emphasizes the importance of allies like Australia and Great Britian, and the consequence of unilateral action without them on our side. America needs to consider her allies' interests.

TarJak 02-08-08 04:23 AM

I think you've hit the nail on the head Neal. Both sides of this long standing alliance need to ensure that both countries interests are considered prior to acting, particularly when making decisions in relation to incursions into foreign countires.

I think that the same may be said of the UK although perhaps there has been a little more equity in that long standing relationship than the one between Australia and the US.

I think that the relationship will be tested should either McCain or Clinton succeed in their bid to the Presidency. The Rudd government was elected on a platform of withdrawing our troops from Iraq, (whilst maintaing our presence in Afghanistan), and I feel that should further incursions be called for by the US, then Rudd may not be as willing to commit troops as his predecessor.

If Obama gets in I think there will be quite a bit of sync between the two parties as his stance is clearly one of force should be used as a last resort.

Either way there are interesting time ahead for all of us.:hmm:

Skybird 02-08-08 05:48 AM

Good article.

Tchocky 02-08-08 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Why? Because the damn world expects us to defend them lately

Really?

Dowly 02-08-08 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Why? Because the damn world expects us to defend them lately

Really?

I second that question. :hmm:

STEED 02-08-08 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
the damn world expects us to defend them lately

So nuke Iran!!!

The press have a saying here. "Print and be damed."

SUBMAN1 02-08-08 02:28 PM

This is why you have shrinking European defence budgets for example - the Europeans expect America to do it for them.

I have a great article on that somewhere. I must find it.

-S

Tchocky 02-08-08 02:37 PM

Do what, exactly?

STEED 02-08-08 02:38 PM

I got a better idea nuke the EU. :D

SUBMAN1 02-08-08 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Do what, exactly?

Oops! Typing too fast. I do that once in a while. Edited it now.

-S

SUBMAN1 02-08-08 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED
I got a better idea nuke the EU. :D

Why waste a good nuke on only 12 people? You know how much it costs to make one of those things? SHeeshhh!

-S

STEED 02-08-08 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED
I got a better idea nuke the EU. :D

Why waste a good nuke on only 12 people? You know how much it costs to make one of those things? SHeeshhh!

-S

Yea, but you still got to test them. :roll:

mrbeast 02-08-08 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED
I got a better idea nuke the EU. :D

Why waste a good nuke on only 12 people? You know how much it costs to make one of those things? SHeeshhh!

-S

Yea, but you still got to test them. :roll:

Well at least you'll find out if that one works. :hmm:

STEED 02-08-08 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast
Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED
I got a better idea nuke the EU. :D

Why waste a good nuke on only 12 people? You know how much it costs to make one of those things? SHeeshhh!

-S

Yea, but you still got to test them. :roll:

Well at least you'll find out if that one works. :hmm:

I will throw one heck of a party when the EU goes up in smoke. :D

Kapitan_Phillips 02-08-08 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
This is why you have shrinking European defence budgets for example - the Europeans expect America to do it for them.
-S

So because Europe doesnt spend as much as it did on weapons, we're unable to defend ourselves? I'll be interested to see this article you promised :hmm:

goldorak 02-08-08 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED
I got a better idea nuke the EU. :D

First nuke the USA and then the EU. :p
All problems solved. :rotfl:

Dowly 02-09-08 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
This is why you have shrinking European defence budgets for example - the Europeans expect America to do it for them.
-S

So because Europe doesnt spend as much as it did on weapons, we're unable to defend ourselves? I'll be interested to see this article you promised :hmm:

So I am. :hmm:

Here, I have another theory. We Europeans dont need to spend money to our defences, because the US is going around the world spreading their freedom & democracy which costs thousands of lives whereever they go, so if somebody would plan to attack somewhere, I bet the #1 target on their list would be US.


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