Has Anyone heard of the Liberty Dollar???
 

So much for freedom, may as well toss that out the window.

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Feds lower boom on alternative money
http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-0...rty-usat_x.htm

www.halturnershow.com

*****BREAKING NEWS *****

FEDS SEIZE "LIBERTY DOLLARS" AND ALL GOLD / SILVER / PLATINUM BACKING THE PAPER VERSION OF THE LIBERTY DOLLAR!
PERFECTLY LAWFUL PRIVATE CURRENCY, IN CIRCULATION FOR YEARS, WAS BECOMING TOO MUCH COMPETITION FOR WORTHLESS FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES!

Agents from FBI and Secret Service committed armed robbery this morning when they set upon the headquarters of the LIBERTY DOLLAR and "seized" all coins, paper currency and bullion backing that currency.

The robbery lasted about 6 hours and as of now, the LIBERTY DOLLAR has been destroyed by the criminal gang calling itself the United States Government.

Folks, this is a trial run. . . . . the feds want to see what happens now that they have intentionally destroyed a "currency." They want to see if anyone will rise up and attack them for intentionally wrecking a legal and valuable currency.

If they get attacked, they know they won't be able to do the exact same thing with the U.S. Dollar. If they do not get attacked, it will be a green light to perpetrate the exact same type of wreckage upon the rest of the population by wrecking the U.S. Dollar and replacing it with the AMERO.

I think the FBI Indianapolis Division (covering Evansville) should be physically surrounded by Patriots armed with guns and the LIBERTY DOLLARS and BULLION be recovered by any means necessary. If not, the U.S. Government will feel free to perpetrate the same act upon our regular currency as they have just done to the LIBERTY DOLLAR.

For those who do not know what the "Liberty Dollar" is, watch the following videos. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/imag...lies/smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dflWJ...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VaBX7A9FqA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMhz_ki_B7o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeHDoHguZX8

bit off topic but I love Hal Turner. Used to listen to his show all the time, sad thing people never donated.

What right does a foreign kid like yourself have to advocate such a thing?

Yeah he's foreign which means his opionion is automatically forfeit.

When it comes to advocating stuff like that it darn sure does.

Well I agree with him although I'm also not one of you....


The only reason they have taken the Liberty Dollar down is because the USD is going so poorly. There is no valid reason the dollar should be illegal as it is similar to trading in gold or even stocks for that matter.


What's next? Your not allowed to keep gold bullion?

I didn't say anything about that. The courts will decide the legality of both this money scheme as well as the governments response which is how it should be addressed. What I have a problem with is when a foreigner talking from the safety of another country calls for stuff like this:

"FBI office...physically surrounded by Patriots armed with guns" and "recover...by any means necessary"

Also, seeing as he's from Canada what's with his use of the word "our" as in "to perpetrate the same act upon our regular currency" when talking about the US?

Perhaps his wording was wrong but his meaning is clear. If I had assets in 'Liberty Dollars' which I probably wouldn't as it seems like a dodgey scheme anyway, but if I had money in those dollars I would be kicking up a bit of a stink over this. Patriots with guns is certainly not the way to go..... you'd need some tanks and mortars for something like this. ;)

For once I agree with August. The regular dollar is of concern for people around the globe and does not exclusively effect Americans, so foreigner'S interest in America's internal way of handling dollar-related actions is vital and perfectly legitimate. The liberty dollar, however, is truly internal and internationally plays no role, it affects nobody outide the US. Advocating then from the outside to start civil uprise is a bit rich.

We have three dozen local currencies in Germany as well, I hope I remember that "3 dozen" correctly. Mostly they are limited to a town or city, often just parts of a medium-sized city, and nationally do not play any significant role. Mostly it is local traders and busniess networks supporting them within the realm of their business area. There it seems to have benefits, for these currencies are survicing since years, and still occasionally new ones get implemented. Some others also have died meanwhile. Telling all this by memory and a longer essay I have read somewhere two or three years back.

Where I start to feel uncomfortable is when such currencies get named with titles like "Freiheits-Euro", or "Ron Paul dollar". The obvious pathetic political opportunism and catch-phrasing does not sound well in my ears, with "freedom fries" still on my mind... It's clear that such a currency is not so much serving a constuctive, economic interest, but gets used as a vehicle to transport a political message. And that should not be what currencies are about. I assume this is in some way the background for the raids.

its from an article :up:

bingo!!, the Feds dont like competition :up: :yep:

Actually, the competition is illegal. Only the US Mint has the legal authority to coin anything intended to be used as money within the US, and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing covers anything involving paper money.

Big surprise.

BTW August, I disagree about foreigners commenting on other countries. I used to get annoyed when Americans made comments on Canadian politics (I know it's as rare as hen's teeth) or other countries til I realised everyone does it anyway. Fact is, a well informed foreign opinion is worth more than an ignorant domestic one FWIW.

Well that settles it, fact is no country would tolerate somebody printing their own money to compete with the local currency.

The Liberty Dollar is not legal tender, not a coin, not currency in the sense of government coinage.

But it is used as a means of private barter. If both partys agree to accept the Liberty Dollar in a transaction no law has been broken.

It's not just any comment Joe, it's the use of "our" when he's not a member of this country as well as his eagerness for armed confrontation amongst others. He's like the person who hovers on the edge of a fight screaming "kill him".

Imagine for a second me saying something like "Canadian patriots armed with guns ought to surround the local Mountie office and take back that seized evidence by any means necessary because they have no right to mess with our Canadian currency".

Now we're I to say something like that you would have every right to object to my use of the word "our" as well as to keep my Yankee nose out of your business. Right?

http://www.nysun.com/article/66642

This article shed more light on the the seizure and is not one sided. The currency is a joke and it appears he is trying to defraud bot US currency by passing the money off to unsuspecting merchants and investors by basically selling silver at 70% its value.



FYI:
"Tune into CNN tonight (11/20/2007) at 7:00pm EST. Bernard von NotHaus to be featured on the Glenn Beck show!"

August I have issues with elite_hunter as well.



...this post of his in a different thread about George W. Bush.

"hes not a man at all, hes a filthy moronic coward, only thing he deserves right now, is to be tortured to the extreme, then executed... "



His posts are often irrational and his opinions juvenile.

What if a bank chose to print it's own currency?

An interesting article on this topic.

"all kinds of alternative currencies exist. Gift certificates, Disney Dollars, casino
chips, product-purchase points, and so on are all forms of exchange that lie somewhere on the spectrum between barter and honest-to-God Federal Reserve Notes. Back in the bad old days, companies that ran company towns paid workers in company scrip that could be redeemed nowhere but the company store. These days, credit card and other companies often use airline miles as de facto scrip to reward loyal customers."

http://www.libertydollar.org/news-st...1171681660.pdf