Here come the Democratic Taxes
 

Rich went from one million dollars/year to $150,000/year.
This is the kind of thing we can expect to be ratified by a Democrat in the White House.

Remove the incentive to succeed. Keep everyone in survival mode, knowing no matter how hard you work you can never get ahead.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...spx?NewsID=133

Don't forget the all-time favorite pasttime of the Democrat party. Create more government dependency, and tax those not dependent on government to pay for it.

WG,
I can't believe you don't support the policies of the future leader...


Here, watch this video and you will embrace it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2-zzmCmMVI
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Remember, it takes a comrade to build the collective.

That's the same in any system.
If every person in the world worked as hard as he/she could you would not end up with
everyone being a millionaire. You would still need the same amount of people scraping
s*** of the floor of the public conveniences.

The way to get more money is not to work hard; this is evident when you compare the
work loads of the rich and poor. The way to get rich is to control the means of
production whilst exploiting the workforce and both exploiting and manipulating the
consumers.

Those who actually work hard tend to be in the lower social and economic groups and
have a tendency to die young of industrial related illness.

It is quite clearly exploitation and manipulation of others that gets money, not hard
work.
In Europe, the rise of unions and strict control of enterprise via regulation, tax and
fines as well as compulsory competition has attempted to both restrict the explotive and manipulative
power of corporations and counter it by allowing the customer and employee to
manipulate the cooperation to some extent.
Both business and personal, tax plays a vital role in this; both the extraction and
allocation of those tax funds.

Yeah, I read this earlier today. What a crock. Plan on opening the checkbook boys. It will only hurt a bit:shifty:

Hillary Quote

What will a Hillary Presidency be like?

“We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices…Government has to make those choices for people” ~Hillary Clinton

If that doesn’t give you a good idea, this quote may help…

“Many of you are well enough off that … the tax cuts may have helped you … We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. ~Explaining her opposition to President Bush’s tax cut in San Francisco (28 June 2004)

That's exactly the mentality of the Democrat Party. In their minds, your money doesn't belong to you. It's the government's money. And you are their property. In their minds, they want to be able to tell you how much money they will let you keep. This is why I say people on the left have no love of personal freedom. Because they support this type of governmental control over personal property.

Thanks for that, Waste Gate. There's nothing like a direct quote to show what a person really means.

I've often said that before anyone can be in a position to touch taxes, they must first be of the simple opinion: "All taxes are evil. A necessary evil, of course, but evil nonetheless."

Why?

Tax is the only way to achieve social justice.

What is social justice? Those that suceed pay for those that don't?

From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need?

Sounds more like a "social equality" or even more like "Social Evolution" ... I can see it now, survival of two classes: the richest, and the most adaptable at scrounging. A completely polarized society where there is no mistake where one stands socially or fiscally... The very top and absolute bottom tiers of the social ladder, the owners and the owned, the haves and the never-will-haves...

Yup. The idea that government knows what is best for me or anyone else is anathema to the principles that this country is founded on, and yet this country is apparently full of Nerf-brained people who are willing to accept it. What amazes me is that people apparently can't see the Left's Big Brother policies for what they are. The substance of liberty is gradually and quietly being confused with an addiction to luxury. Cushier lifestyles will not make our country any freer, any wealthier, or any stronger. Yet we seem willing to go along anyway.

My favorite Hillary quote is (as put by Giuliani in the Republican debate): "I have a million ideas and America can't afford them all."

I would think that is true now more than ever. Mr and Mrs Average Knucklehead are more interested in who got flushed off "Dancing with the Stars" than hearing candidates in a political debate. The media will take their slant and focus on whatever dirt gets them better ratings.

C'mon, Brittany Spears and Paris Hilton get more attention from the media and American public than Clinton, Obama or any other political hopeful.

Don't believe me? Stand around the water cooler sometime and just listen to what people are discussing... betcha it ain't politics bubba...

And you want the public to make "informed decisions"? :rotfl:

And Rudy had the correct response; Hillary, America (US) can't afford you.:up: :rock:

Unfortunately Rudy has some other positions on issues which give me pause.

Same here; it's still too early to tell, but he does have "electability." Several of the candidates appeal to me for different reasons, not the least of which is who can be successfully "marketed" in the general election. I thought the Florida debate was good; it will be interesting to see who the running mates are and how the "issues" get played after Iowa.

I agree it will be interesting. As far as running mates go, I think one of these front-runners may just end up as a VP running mate. Maybe Thompson and Guiliani???

Social justice is marxist code talk for "we take your money and rights". Whenever you hear someone use that term you know that they are a communist.

I am sick and tired of people creating divisions where there shouldn't be, race-baiting, and class envy. There should be two classes of haves and have nots because is how the world works. It isn't all happy and cheerful and nice and that is impossible because human nature would never allow it.

People, including myself, work hard for what we have and I will be damned if I am going to let Hillary in or Charlie Rangel walk in and take it and decide how to spend it.

Yeah, you know what, the most adaptable at scrounging and surviving are the rich in this country. You could take away all their money and they will come back in 10 years rich again. They are the ones that make this system work, that provide people like you and I with a job and a career and an opportunity and sign your cheque. If you are content to sit on your laurels and work the same job 30 years and not move up then it is your own fault and you have nobody to blame for your situation other than yourself.

This tax increase would destroy the economy because the main targets of it would likely pull an Atlas Shrugged, dump their employees, raise their costs of goods to the consumer (because corporations never pay taxes, they pass the cost on to you) and if they have properties or investments they will dump them which will further depress the market. When will you people learn that the only reason Rangel and Hillary want that tax money is for power and control. They could give a rat's behind about the poor, they happen to be part of the wealthiest 10% too.

What is success? And what is a failure to succeed? You speak in general terms and assume that they fit nicely into your logic. But really what determines success? The richest people in the world are almost exclusively those who inherited vast bodies of wealth and continue to expand them without effort because they have the right to take the bulk of the profits and use those profits to expand into more wealth. As Letum said the hardest working don't get nearly the value of their work. The Value Added of a single person's work is completely disproportionate to the wage he receives. When the economy goes sour, largely due to those who have wealth getting greedy and pushing the market too hard so that supply exceeds demand, the first thing to go down is wages. Those that did their jobs lose most because those that have so much don't want to stop making so much.

I also noticed that nobody bothered to answer Letum's statement, instead enjoying the moral superiority of taking shots at Hillary.

Absolute hogwash. Read this:

http://www.forbes.com/2001/06/21/top15billionaires.html

With the exception of the Saudi Prince, these people are providing global goods and services at an astronomical rate. And they've expanded or acheived greater success through nominal economic expansion. Maybe you have an HP desktop or a Dell. Is Michael Dell evil to you? Are the shareholders of HP evil to you for getting returns on their investments? How about MS shareholders? Are you jealous? Of course, you have the disease called "wealth envy". So you don't get how real wealth is gained, earned, or how risk capital can be turned into profits. And how that is actually good for a nations economy.

BTW, who should assign the value of someone's work? Remember, you nor the government owns jobs in the private sector. The employer does. And every employer I've come into contact with has paid the fair market value for the work done, and for the cost of living in the area lived in. If the employer does not pay a wage commensurate with a competitive wage, he won't be able to cover the positions. The reason why low skilled occupations, like burger flipper, meat packer, and such don't make as much is because the market is saturated with low skilled people looking for those types of jobs. And the turn over is rather high in those occupations. That's also why higher skilled jobs, and higher education will usually result in a higher net worth.

BTW, I used to be a "have not" myself. I'm now pretty well off. And I'm a "person of color" :roll: . How did I do it in such a so-called "unjust" society?!?!?! Bottom line, if people don't bust their butt's, they simply will not acheive success. In a free society, you make choices. Some choices make you poor. Like making babies you can't afford. Or dropping out of school and partying. Or choosing to engage in criminal activity. Or just settling for whatever comes your way, rather than pursuing something that can bring better rewards. You'll only go as high as your work, investment, time, energy, choices, persistence, and innovation take you. And you are free to pursue or not pursue higher goals for yourself. But if you don't pursue higher goals, you only have yourself to blame. Likewise, if you choose poorly like the examples above, you only should look in the mirror for the culprit. Personal freedom, personal responsibility, and good decision making are a part of living in a free nation. If you can't handle it, Chavez is having his little revolution in Venezuela. Please move there. Because whining here won't get you what you want. Because people in "Red" revolution societies usually are or become destitute, oppressed, and unhappy, they will usually do anything to escape their marxist "paradise". I don't know why some in the free world refuse to learn that lesson.

Well Said! :up: Count me in as someone who has worked too hard to allow these hacks to confiscate my property to give to those who refuse to take care of themselves. I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes to take care of infrastructure, military, national R & D like space research, and such. But I'm sick of paying for things that grown adults should be doing for themselves.