Steep decline in oil production brings risk of war and unrest, says new study.
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,2196435,00.html

We I will be an old fart by then better stock up on guns a dark time is coming. :o

By the way have they taken in to account there be more people on the planet as the years go by resulting in greater consumption.

You have posted this three times!!

He's keen :D

Yep. Better find a way to protect your food since I would think that you may need to do that in the future.

I wonder how a country like America will be affected? Will we just go all electric? We have enough coal in this country to last many of my lifetimes. I don't expect the same impact here as I would in a 3rd world country. Just my thoughts on it.

-S

I don't agree with that assesment. A. We will still be buying much of that oil in 2030 at the expense of other countries not getting as much, and B. we have the ability to innovate and adapt where a 3rd world country lacks the technical talent to do so - http://www.evworld.com/evguide.cfm?evtype=production

Cali has 5,000 of them on the road.

And if Iceland can get Hydrogen going for it's populace, I don't see why we can't given 30 years time! Isn't that enough time to adapt?

Never underestimate the capitalists societies ability to adapt to make money. I don't think we will have that many problems, assuming nuclear war does not hit us first with Iran and it's ambitions.

-S

I don't particularly want to start a flame war or bash America.....

We will still be buying much of that oil in 2030 at the expense of other countries not getting as much

But when you express opinions like that you can't expect other nations to hold yours with much regard.

Quotes like that could be construded by some more extreme people around the world, as reason to attack America before it uses its financial clout to take their oil.

Less extreme people might think "with allies like this who needs......"

But maybe I'm wrong and that was a typo

It's a fact. It is not like we will force it. It is a financial thing. And no, it is not a typo. The terrorists won't attack over that idea as well because they are the ones getting the $$$! :D They already have the oil too, so to them, it is non-issue. They will continue to fight for their whacked ideals which has little to do with oil. Those ideals is to create a Islamic world, which will never happen.

Sounds to me like this idea ticks you off. It shouldn't. I am simply stating an economic reality or idea. Doesn't matter if I live in Africa and state it, it is what it is.

-S

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Oil is increasingly plentiful on the upslope of the bell curve, increasingly scarce and expensive on the down slope. The peak of the curve coincides with the point at which the endowment of oil has been 50 percent depleted. Once the peak is passed, oil production begins to go down while cost begins to go up.

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The resulting graph is extremely striking, I think. The four different sources all estimate Saudi production slightly differently - they fluctuate in different ways month to month, and disagree over the absolute level (that last may be differences in exactly what is defined as oil). However, the regressions make clear that all four sources are in strong agreement about the nature of the decline. The slopes of the lines are very similar. The implied decline rate through the year is 8% ± 0.1%. (Note that the year on year decline from 2005 to 2006 will only be about half that, as the decline only began at the beginning of 2006). As far as I know, there are no known accidents or problems that would explain any restrictions on oil supply, and the Saudis themselves have maintained publicly that their production is unproblematic and they intend to increase it.

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Energy Crises
 

I read some of those articles Skybird posted - the situation for the world's energy supply appears more serious than I ever realized (assuming the articles are correct, which I do assume).:o I am surprised more people are worried about this, although I guess I wouldn't know what to do or say myself.:-? I do all the usual things to conserve energy though (i.e. don't leave the engine running, turn off lights when I'm not using them, etc.).

Exxon Mobil can hire Blackwater to fight their wars.

You better all enjoy what's left of the good times as we enter a new dark age.

But times of darkness have the charm of making people pray. :smug:

But I would expect things to get even 'darker' still... Depends on faith/belief I guess...:smug:

Amen...:up:

Food prices will rocket along with your house hold bills, air travel will almost end along with road transport. This list will go on and on, people you better make the most of your life style now as one day the curtain will fall.

I really wonder if people truly understand how dependent the Human Race is on petroleum? Consider plastics... petroleum-based products... lubricants and a number of other polymer products are derived from crude oil...

Driving a semi, I have high hopes for biodiesel, but there's a long way to go to meet the sheer quantity demands of the trucking industry, let alone any other diesel-fueled transports...

Well most of us here are as for the rest of the world..................

They say the sh*t will hit the fan around 2030 but are they taking in to account there figures will have changed in five years? Look at China and India who want there slice of cake and telling everyone else you had your slice now it's our time.

It is said that last century was the "American" century and this one belongs to the Chinese...

What drives me nutz, is that instead of a war in the Middle East, which I'm sure has at least *something* to do with oil, we could be spending the $$$ to further alternative energy and re-usable resources. Not furthering a futile dependancy on a finite resource like oil... :damn:

Think about the research that the $$$ spent fighting in Iraq the last 4 years could have funded... :damn:

Meanwhile, the Japanese are moving steadily ahead with alternative technologies while the Big 3 get their collective SUV a**es kicked...

Compared to the ammount of oil that gets burned for energy production and for keeping vehicles on the gorund, in the air and on the oceasn running, the ammount of oil used for the kind of productions you mentioned is harmlessly small. I have no numbers and I do not care to search for it now, but I remember to have read like this repeatedly. If somebody says it would be not more than 5%, I would believe it, unprepared as I am right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

The list of yours is not complete, of course. Add vital things like fertilizers, pharmacies, insecticides to it, and you are in the realm of not only items of comfort, but essential items of survival for millions and hundreds of millions of people. the list of horror getting opened without oil starts with mass starvations, leads over epidemics caused by insects, and ends at contient-wide wars with all the grim terror they bring. and that's just what I can come up with when giving it only a shallow thought.

In a quantitative sense, yes. However, that small amount certainly plays a vital role. for instance, I can't imagine fresh meat at the supermarket being wrapped in anything else but plastics...

Precisely. Petroleum is so integrated into our daily lives, that the loss of oil resources will most certainly have a much more devastating and far reaching effect than currently thought, IMO.

If we don't nuke ourselves into non-existence, we'll have to contend with the depletion of oil and natural gas reserves...