Peace had come to Germany, but was rejected. How insulting!
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6979295.stm
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,504037,00.html

two German converts to the religion of peace and a Turk who already was born as a property of the religion of peace were arrested for planning blessed massmurder in the name of the religion of peace in Germany. During multiple simultaneous attacks on the airports of Frankfurt and the airbase at Ramstein, it was planned to praise peace by using explosive that would have equalled the destruction power of 750 kg of TNT (for comparison: in London or Madrid, forgot what the commentator wa smentioning, peaceful and reasonable terrorist had used around 130 kg). The suspects, initially cleverly identified as "men", had been unjustly observed by wicked, infidel Staatsschutz for several months, and their chemicals they intended to use in the name of the religion of peace had been replaced with thinned surrogates. Nevertheless, they said on TV, if uncountered this preaching of peace would have had the potential to bring hundreds of infidels closer to peace in heaven, in the name of the religion of peace, of course. Police said that this would have been the most powerful preaching of peace in europe ever, surpassing Madrid and London peace-ins easily. The preachers had been members of a germany-wide operating cultural information centre that helps to spread and explain the peacefulness in the religion of peace - there are said to be a couple of people on the ground and birds in the sky who still understand it all wrong - , and one or two of the suspects had been send to our close and trustworthy honest ally Pakistan to get taught there what peace really is, and what the tools of peace are.

This late afternoon, the interior minister said that the religion of peace is not to be put under suspicion, of course. I mean it is causing the thoughts of peace, and is lecturing thoughts of peace, and motivates these three suspects to act peacefully, so how could peace be anything evil. Well done, interior minister, you are a very wise and peaceful and reasonable man.

Peace to all of you!

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6497/peacesg3.jpg

Yes, I mean that serious.
































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You could believe me, it's not meant as a bitter joke.

Whoosh

Issue - It seemed like German security services were on some sort of paranoia trip over the last few weeks. This puts it in a different light.

OP - Bleh.

Nice peaceful religion you got there. I wonder how long the world will take it before they hunt every last one of them down? It will come to that someday. Maybe that is what they want. Maybe we should give it to them. What I don't get is how people can become one with a religion that incites hatred, violence, and worship such an awful baby killer of a god? I think I'd rather be dead than to submit to such a hateful god. I wonder why these people are so clueless to not be able to see that?

Good thing this god is all a hoax. Such a being can't exist.

-S

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The "paranoia trip" (launched around Decembre or January), they said, continues to move on with around 300 top priority suspects, and around three dozen peace-preaching cultural centres and organizations in Germany that are currently under close surveillance of German intel and security services. Regular monitoring of mosques not counted.

Of course this is only the number they did not refuse to give in public. How many security operations currently are run that they refuse to make public in any way - they did not say.

It was said in past days and weeks that currently there is a massive backflow of peaceloving missionaries who return from their peacecamps in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and return to Germany. If they stay here or move to other European countries, is not so much clear.

Nevertheless, that paranoia must stop. It prevents real peace to come true. It also is offending for it is questioning the wisdom of deeds in the name of the God of peace.

You are wrong. I saw him, once while doing a longer practical in closed psychiatry. He was locked in several isolation cells, and had his hands bound on his back, else it would have been too dangerous to even look at him. :shifty:

I was referring to this incident. I'm not up to speed on German policing measures.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/high...152985,00.html

Yes, that example was making me scratch my head, too.

Her has been released and all lawsuits had been deleted meanwhile.

The same goes for any god who has ever existed in any religion. All religion gives is jsut another pretext for atrocities. One only has to look at history to realize that.

Funny thing is, I actually SAW those guys in April or so!
According to one press report, the group of radicals changed locations quite often this year, and one of their locations was Langen.
In April, I was jogging at my usual route when I came across five very muslim looking joggers, two of them with the usual unkept "jihadi" beards, the rest not exactly clean shaven either.
It struck me as odd. There's a bunch of muslims (mostly turks) living in Langen, but fanatical muslims normally don't exercise in public.
Religious fanatics of all kind are not exactly the greatest sportsmen of all.
Next time I saw only three of the bunch in the fields, this time not jogging, but testing walkie talkies.

I considered reporting them, but on a second thought, I was thinking about the rampant PC and that it might get me into more trouble than it was worth.
A friend joked that I would have the next terrorist attack on my conscience for not reporting these types.

Around the same time, there was a very "unconspicious" van parked in an area nearby which just screamed "surveilance vehicle", but I thought these policemen might try to catch dope dealers selling pot to skater kids at the adjacent half-pipe.
Now it seems to me these were not Langen police, but rather BKA men shadowing those jihadi joggers.

Regarding the arrest, it is of course a politically timed action. The whole group was amateurish and the best thing they could have done with those chemicals is to blow themselves up trying to make a bomb. The stuff was too unstable for bombs in the scale they had planned. Also, BKA had allready swapped some of the 35% hydrogen peroxide solutions containers containers with more harmless 3% solutions as you use them in school labs. With that, they could have bleached their hair.
Apparently a good op by BKA and GSG-9, but the timing was political, to support our Interior ministers (SSchäuble or "Doctor Strangelove" :D) campaign for more surveilance and curtailing of civil rights.
But if you look carefully, it actually proves that our intelligence comunity and security forces are capable of folding terrorist attacks with the existing legal framework.

But next time I see sinister jihadi looking figures doing suspicious stuff, I WILL report them...

Not really. They had run into a (harmless) traffic checkpoint one day earlier, became nervous and unfolded hectical activity, they said yesterday. This caused the decision not to wait any longer, for reasons of unpredictable decisions of theirs, and increased risk of fleeing.

Arresting them earlier, they said, would have meant to make them subjects to lower penalties only, for their intentions had not become that obvious and may have been difficult to prove. This delay was only possible becasue te terrorists considered themselves secure when using latest hightech protection gear to encrypt and camouflage their internet communication. The BKA broke through these barriers, obviously.

So I think the timing is just lucky for Schäuble.

The 35%-3% exchange is what I meant when mentioning "surrogates".

And the beat goes on.

Today was announced the founding of Islamic Party of Finland.:dead:

Article not yet in english, il post when it comes out.

When asked if sharia law is a long term goal for the party, Party Leader Abdullah Tammi replied "That would be wonderful".

http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/I.../1135230096548

Goodbye, Sweden.

Regarding Finland, you've only just begun.

In english. Though they left out the comment about sharia.

http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id69164.html

Just Dialectics at work...:
http://www.jungewelt.de/2007/09-06/061.php?print=1
http://de.altermedia.info/general/fk....html#comments

This is an English language forum. Could you please tell us what this is?

Meanwhile, in Little Morocco..........

Good luck, Europe!

And the pattern still remains
On the wall where darkness fell,
And it's fitting that it should,
For in darkness I must dwell.
Like the color of my skin,
Or the day that I grow old,
My life is made of patterns
That can scarcely be controlled.
- Patterns, Simon & Garfunkel

These are two links to articles in German language.
One from the far political left, one from the far right - praising out beloved Führers for their occult knowledge and prophetical farsight in foreseeing the alien terror which threadens our beloved Volk - even oraceling the exact month beforehand!!!
But also the comerads, these redglowing party-swords of the workingclasses - are full admire-rational suprise in seeing how exact the dilactecis of the historical processs is fullfilling itself before the eyes of us all - in showing how right the goverment was in promoting enforcement of security matters for protections of the civil sector.
Not to forget the heroism of our brave police, who had (of course) the situation under controll, whole of the time (we expect nothing less). They were even able to exchange critical components for the explosives undetected during the observation - cute clever guys. :)

Edit - some more update (in German):
http://www.freace.de/artikel/200709/060907a.html
http://www.spiegelfechter.com/wordpress/

It turns out most of the party leadership are converts to islam and ex communists, what does that tell us? :doh: Communism, Nazism, Islam..

German security services are an equal opportunities arrester :)

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...dnap-Claim.php

German media since yesterday reported that the successful counter terror operation that was just conducted would not have been possible without massively using information by American intel services that were won with those methods (considered as illegal by international standards and as inhumane) germany at the same has massively criticised in the past. So this is my most favourite schizophrenia in German foreign policy again: pointing finger at the US, but at the same time nevertheless enjoying the fruits from questionable harvesting.

The Germans arrested were converts, and on pictures they did not wear beards. It was reported that as a matter of fact they completely failed to fulfill any schemes by which the police tries to identitfy terror suspects. Police said that since some time he problem of converts has alarmed investigators more and more. Converts are under pressure to prove themselves as worthy and as truly Muslim, by their psychology they often feel urged to put any hate they feel on perceived wrongs in the world on a religious basis, namly the hate on the US and on Western values, and who converted though having been raised in Western tradition probably often is somebody who do not want an "Islam light", but the full hardcore package. Officially, 20.000 German convert per year, but unofficially it is estimated that there are AT LEAST 100.000 per year, possibly even up to 150.000. This is probably a two-contrast issue: these kinds of guys as described, on the other hand, are mostly women, who convert because they fell in love with a Muslim man and wanted to marry him. - Strange what love can make people do. I never would do that, at no cost. If the other cannot accept to live with me without me needing to join his ideology in order to accept me in return, then something is wrong from the beginning, I think. i wouldn't care nevertheless, if it wouldn't be so damn many per year.

However, the immenese number of converts has raised problems that have seriously alarmed the security services - for they cannot identify terror suspects by profiling anymore. Note that the same was said about the terrorists in London. they too did not compare with the profiles, but were fully "normal appearing" citizens.

Somebody said that the success of this operation proved that no tighter anti terror rules and methods are needed in Germany (long debate here). But that this operation would not have been possible without massive American intelligence, indicates the exact opposite. but politicians are already in fight again wether the visiting of a terror trainign camp should be under penalty, or not. So you know what to expect from our legislation.

And al Mazri - ah, don't even get me started. He is a tool, and it makes me feel like vomitting that he could manage to get so much attention again and again and again and again from parliamentaries in long conferences and debates. It's all an Islamic-political plot. He refused to become German citizen. after being rleased by the ameicans, he became German citizen all of a sudden, knowing that this would help him to attack the state. His behavior, his private clothing and his beard shows that he does not wish to integrate into German society at all, but at all costs wants to be see as different, and wants to remain separate. A shame how easily some people hostile to the state are given German nationality. Mazri was visiting Pakistani camps, and is supported and financed by german Islamic culture clubs of orthodox nature - well, it is known what these are. Mazri - that name already was far too often in headlines over here.