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emtmedic005 08-02-07 02:11 PM

An America foreign legion???
 
I read a couple articles on the issue and i think it makes sense for the US to have an America foreign legion. What do u guys think of this, many of you come from other countries, and i want t o see wat you think of this idea?
Here r some articles about it.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/19/foreign.legion/
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0...oreign,00.html
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/03/2552879

HMCS 08-02-07 02:14 PM

Isn't that what Blackwater is?

Chock 08-02-07 02:20 PM

They already have one, it's called the Ministry of Defence:rotfl:

:D Chock

Iron Budokan 08-02-07 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HMCS
Isn't that what Blackwater is?

Lol, you beat me to it. :rotfl:

Polak 08-02-07 02:59 PM

If think that the US MoD would benefit alot finantially from it, it's much cheaper to run a legion than to hire people from companies like Blackwater.

P_Funk 08-02-07 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Polak
If think that the US MoD would benefit alot finantially from it, it's much cheaper to run a legion than to hire people from companies like Blackwater.

Thats because soldiers always get ripped off.:p

"Thanks for almost dying for us and scarring your innocence forever. btw your GI Pension recently discovered that you aren't covered for your procedure."

"I haven't been diagnosed yet"

"Right... well good luck with that. You got insurance?"

Polak 08-02-07 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk
Quote:

Originally Posted by Polak
If think that the US MoD would benefit alot finantially from it, it's much cheaper to run a legion than to hire people from companies like Blackwater.

Thats because soldiers always get ripped off.:p

"Thanks for almost dying for us and scarring your innocence forever. btw your GI Pension recently discovered that you aren't covered for your procedure."

"I haven't been diagnosed yet"

"Right... well good luck with that. You got insurance?"

I know the pain. :D
Seriously, I only see benefits in a legion.
Economical benefits, no news about dead American soldiers in the news, etc.

P_Funk 08-02-07 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Polak
I know the pain. :D
Seriously, I only see benefits in a legion.
Economical benefits, no news about dead American soldiers in the news, etc.

How about outside of the notice of pesky reporters and those bloody "oversight" twats? The only way they'd embed a reporter with a Foreign Legion is in a rock face with a sabot round.

Heibges 08-02-07 05:36 PM

Colonel Hackworth brought forward that idea 25 years ago. I hate to see these talking heads stealing his ideas.

The Regular Army is never going to go for it because your are playing in their pond their toes. The absolutely last thing they want is another part of the Army.

bradclark1 08-02-07 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Polak
If think that the US MoD would benefit alot finantially from it, it's much cheaper to run a legion than to hire people from companies like Blackwater.

Blackwater does not come out of the Department of Defence budget. Our military manpower is capped by law. These security outfits or whatever you want to call them is therefore a freebie. The military don't have to guard whatever and can use those people on the line. It's all a paper shuffle.

Polak 08-02-07 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
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Originally Posted by Polak
If think that the US MoD would benefit alot finantially from it, it's much cheaper to run a legion than to hire people from companies like Blackwater.

Blackwater does not come out of the Department of Defence budget. Our military manpower is capped by law. These security outfits or whatever you want to call them is therefore a freebie. The military don't have to guard whatever and can use those people on the line. It's all a paper shuffle.

You are of course right, but what I ment was that in the end, the money comes from the same source. The money spent on Blackwater or simillar companies, could be used by the MoD for a foreign legion.

bradclark1 08-02-07 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Polak
You are of course right, but what I ment was that in the end, the money comes from the same source. The money spent on Blackwater or simillar companies, could be used by the MoD for a foreign legion.

The money does not come from the same place. Also what benefit is there in an Legion? There isn't any. Our military is all volunteer. Their are a lot of foreigners in the U.S. military, it's is a fast track to citizenship.The budget for Blackwater I suspect (I don't know) comes from the Department of State. The simple answer is to just enlarge the military which is supposed to happen but I haven't heard anything about it in a while.

SUBMAN1 08-02-07 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk
Quote:

Originally Posted by Polak
I know the pain. :D
Seriously, I only see benefits in a legion.
Economical benefits, no news about dead American soldiers in the news, etc.

How about outside of the notice of pesky reporters and those bloody "oversight" twats? The only way they'd embed a reporter with a Foreign Legion is in a rock face with a sabot round.

For the second time in this thread - isn't that what Blackwater Mercs are?

-S

August 08-02-07 09:06 PM

I'd be against a foreign legion. Right now our military is made up of our sons and daughters serving their country. I don't want to see our government fielding armies whose only loyalty is to their paymaster.

TteFAboB 08-02-07 10:01 PM

How about a compromise? Let the 12 million Mexicans (and others), minus children, serve 10 or maybe 15 years in return for a citizenship.

Reaves 08-02-07 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB
How about a compromise? Let the 12 million Mexicans (and others), minus children, serve 10 or maybe 15 years in return for a citizenship.

Reminds me of Starship troopers.

Are you sure you want to have people with a low quality education who don't speak english properly as your army?

Oh, I forgot, we're talking about America where that's already the case. (runs) :p:rotfl:

emtmedic005 08-02-07 11:42 PM

The State Department pays for Blackwater and other Merc Companies, and labels there services as "Protection" and "Security"

Finacially having an America foreign legion would be great, All those "illegals" that join up will start paying income tax, which would flow in to the US Treasury, hahaha.

My coworkers always joke how we use the Brits and the Germans as out back up troops to fill the gaps in Iraq.
I love hearing stories from former Blackwater operators that tell me how they use to sit in an observation spot and "snipe" enemy combantants in Iraq, They dont go by the same Military laws as Our Soldiers do.

As far as saying that the Regular Army doesnt like having another Group, well they already have problems with the National Guard. My roommate in college who was a E-4 in the National Guard couldnt go to certain Army Schools because he was in the National Guard. Thats one reason y i didnt want to join the Guard cause they couldnt send me to the schools i wanted to go to.

SUBMAN1 08-02-07 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaves
...Are you sure you want to have people with a low quality education who don't speak english properly as your army?

Oh, I forgot, we're talking about America where that's already the case. (runs) :p:rotfl:

Not even close.

Reaves 08-03-07 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by Reaves
...Are you sure you want to have people with a low quality education who don't speak english properly as your army?

Oh, I forgot, we're talking about America where that's already the case. (runs) :p:rotfl:

Not even close.

Disregarding my silly comment, I still wouldn't think you'd want immigrants as a large force of your military. People want to enter the USA because of the higher standards of living, healthcare and education they would receive in comparison to their home country. While many i'm sure would be hard, honest working people, you can't just put a gun into their hands and send them to Iraq without spending a larger amount of money training them then you would training your average Yank.

HMCS 08-03-07 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
Blackwater does not come out of the Department of Defence budget. Our military manpower is capped by law. These security outfits or whatever you want to call them is therefore a freebie.

A freebie paid for by the American taxpayer.

And Blackwater types are not subject to military law, and can kill with impunity.

If I was an Iraqi, I'd be making bombs, too.


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