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Rose 06-06-07 02:21 PM

Unknown/Obscure WWII Battles
 
Post an article about a relatively unknown/obscure battle or campaign during WWII. I always find stuff like this interesting.

Ill start with the Battle of Madagascar in 1942: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Madagascar

fatty 06-06-07 02:25 PM

Battle of the St. Lawrence River

August 06-06-07 02:44 PM

Battle of Sunda Strait


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sunda_Strait

CCIP 06-06-07 02:46 PM

Operation Bagration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration


Probably the largest and most successful single offensive operation of WWII, forgotten largely because it was overshadowed by Overlord that happened just two weeks prior.

AntEater 06-06-07 03:40 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Koh_Chang

The naval battle of Koh Chang. The only french naval victory of WW2 (:arrgh!:).
A french colonial squadron with a light cruiser and some sloops took apart the a Royal Thai Navy squadron without french losses.
As the french in Indochina were somewhat in the Vichy camp, and Thailand a quasi ally of Japan, this could well be considered a battle of axis powers...

Rose 06-06-07 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AntEater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Koh_Chang

The naval battle of Koh Chang. The only french naval victory of WW2 (:arrgh!:).
A french colonial squadron with a light cruiser and some sloops took apart the a Royal Thai Navy squadron without french losses.
As the french in Indochina were somewhat in the Vichy camp, and Thailand a quasi ally of Japan, this could well be considered a battle of axis powers...

I have never before heard of a battle between two Axis powers :huh: ... very interesting stuff.

Chock 06-06-07 06:03 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Barking_Creek

:D Chock

Happy Times 06-06-07 08:15 PM

Battles of Suomussalmi and Raate-Road. Finnish troops destroyed two Soviet divisions, suffering some 700 as KIA&MIA against some 45.000 KIA&MIA on the Soviet side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suomussalmi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Raate-Road


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...uomussalmi.jpg

bookworm_020 06-06-07 09:16 PM

Battle of Timor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_..._%281942-43%29

The Avon Lady 06-07-07 02:49 AM

Operation Mincemeat. Not a battle but a prelude to Operation Husky (Sicily) and its effect on second guessing the Allies led to a major German blunder in Operation Market Garden a year and a half later.

EDIT: I think I'll buy the movie: The Man Who Never Was. :yep:

Jimbuna 06-07-07 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chock

Awesome Chock :lol:

AntEater 06-07-07 06:08 AM

A totally unknown Pacific battleship surface action!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_pips
The "Battle of the Pips"

Rose 06-07-07 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntEater
A totally unknown Pacific battleship surface action!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_pips
The "Battle of the Pips"

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

@AL: The effect Operation Mincemeat had on the entire war effort is astounding. :huh: Especially the part about the Panzer divisions diverted from the Eastern Front just in time to miss Kursk.

Oberon 06-07-07 09:47 AM

Axis (Vichy) vs Allies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_...-el-K%C3%A9bir

August 06-07-07 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nope, the Vichy French government was not an ally to Great Britain.

fatty 06-07-07 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nope, the Vichy French government was not an ally to Great Britain.

True, even still, the ultimatum is so great it's worth posting herre in its entirety:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral James Somerville
It is impossible for us, your comrades up to now, to allow your fine ships to fall into the power of the German enemy. We are determined to fight on until the end, and if we win, as we think we shall, we shall never forget that France was our Ally, that our interests are the same as hers, and that our common enemy is Germany. Should we conquer we solemnly declare that we shall restore the greatness and territory of France. For this purpose we must make sure that the best ships of the French Navy are not used against us by the common foe. In these circumstances, His Majesty's Government have instructed me to demand that the French Fleet now at Mers el Kebir and Oran shall act in accordance with one of the following alternatives;

(a) sail with us and continue the fight until victory against the Germans.

(b) Sail with reduced crews under our control to a British port. The reduced crews would be repatriated at the earliest moment.

If either of these courses is adopted by you we will restore your ships to France at the conclusion of the war or pay full compensation if they are damaged meanwhile.

(c) Alternatively if you feel bound to stipulate that your ships should not be used against the Germans unless they break the Armistice, then sail them with us with reduced crews to some French port in the West Indies — Martinique for instance — where they can be demilitarised to our satisfaction, or perhaps be entrusted to the United States and remain safe until the end of the war, the crews being repatriated.

If you refuse these fair offers, I must with profound regret, require you to sink your ships within 6 hours.

Finally, failing the above, I have the orders from His Majesty's Government to use whatever force may be necessary to prevent your ships from falling into German hands.


Rose 06-07-07 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nope, the Vichy French government was not an ally to Great Britain.

Yep. Vichy was an Axis satellite (see Axis vs. Axis above: Vichy French vs. pro-Axis Thai gov't). I wonder if there really are any true Allies vs. Allies battles.

Even still, thanks for posting that Oberon -- it certainly qualifies under unknown/obscure :D.

Jimbuna 06-07-07 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty
Quote:

Originally Posted by August
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nope, the Vichy French government was not an ally to Great Britain.

True, even still, the ultimatum is so great it's worth posting herre in its entirety:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral James Somerville
It is impossible for us, your comrades up to now, to allow your fine ships to fall into the power of the German enemy. We are determined to fight on until the end, and if we win, as we think we shall, we shall never forget that France was our Ally, that our interests are the same as hers, and that our common enemy is Germany. Should we conquer we solemnly declare that we shall restore the greatness and territory of France. For this purpose we must make sure that the best ships of the French Navy are not used against us by the common foe. In these circumstances, His Majesty's Government have instructed me to demand that the French Fleet now at Mers el Kebir and Oran shall act in accordance with one of the following alternatives;

(a) sail with us and continue the fight until victory against the Germans.

(b) Sail with reduced crews under our control to a British port. The reduced crews would be repatriated at the earliest moment.

If either of these courses is adopted by you we will restore your ships to France at the conclusion of the war or pay full compensation if they are damaged meanwhile.

(c) Alternatively if you feel bound to stipulate that your ships should not be used against the Germans unless they break the Armistice, then sail them with us with reduced crews to some French port in the West Indies — Martinique for instance — where they can be demilitarised to our satisfaction, or perhaps be entrusted to the United States and remain safe until the end of the war, the crews being repatriated.

If you refuse these fair offers, I must with profound regret, require you to sink your ships within 6 hours.

Finally, failing the above, I have the orders from His Majesty's Government to use whatever force may be necessary to prevent your ships from falling into German hands.


Definitely in the days Britannia ruled the waves :rock: :arrgh!:

Rose 06-07-07 11:27 AM

The unknown Patton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Rose

Oberon 06-07-07 12:13 PM

Whoops! My bad, post edited! :up:

Some more:

Operation Wikinger - Axis vs Axis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wikinger

Operation Green - The invasion that never happened -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operati..._%28Ireland%29

FIDO - Not a battle but an interesting snippet -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_Inv...ion_%28FIDO%29

A WW1 battle - An interesting battle this, the SMS Cap Trafalgar was disguised as HMS Carmania and Carmania was disguised as the Cap Trafalgar. :doh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Cap_Trafalgar

http://ca.geocities.com/volturno@rog...olturno58.html

Pattons Prayer - http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/arch...tonsprayer.php

Fu-Go bombing campaign against the US mainland.
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/fugo.htm


Ok, so they're not so much battles, some of them, and one is in World War one...but it's relatively unknown stuff that I've come across. Enjoy! :up:


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