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Fish 05-27-07 01:09 PM

Kuwait drops dollar
 
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By Ulf Laessing
KUWAIT, May 20 (Reuters) - Kuwait unshackled its dinar from the tumbling U.S. dollar on Sunday and switched the exchange rate mechanism to a basket of currencies, throwing plans for currency union with other Gulf Arab oil producers into disarray. Kuwait's central bank, which battled speculators for weeks to defend the peg, said the dollar's slide against other currencies had forced it to break ranks with fellow Gulf states to contain inflation from the rising cost of some imports.

The move stunned Gulf currency markets and volumes dried up. The impact would be clearer on Monday when international markets open, said Steve Brice, chief middle east economist at Standard Chartered Bank in Dubai.
Oman and Bahrain, the two smallest Gulf economies, and Saudi Arabia, the largest Arab economy, said they planned to stand by their pegs. There was no comment from the central bank of the United Arab Emirates, whose currency could take centre stage on Monday as prospects for a single currency evaporate.
Kuwait was still committed to monetary union, the central bank governor said in a statement, after changing the dinar's rate to $0.228806, an appreciation of about 0.37 percent. "The massive decline in the dollar's exchange rate against main currencies ... has contributed to the increase in local inflation rates and this step is part of the central bank's efforts to curb inflationary pressure," Sheikh Salem Abdul-Aziz al-Sabah said in a statement carried by state news agency KUNA.
More here:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...mktNews&rpc=44[/url

Skybird 05-27-07 05:25 PM

Just wait for when China decides to convert it's Dollar reserves into Euros. Wallstreet's "Black Friday" will appear to be a harmless joke, compared to that.

Ishmael 05-27-07 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Just wait for when China decides to convert it's Dollar reserves into Euros. Wallstreet's "Black Friday" will appear to be a harmless joke, compared to that.

They won't do that until they're ready to take Taiwan. That way the US won't be able to afford the fuel to get over there to stop them.

Sea Demon 05-27-07 08:32 PM

If China maliciously dumps the dollar in this type of economic warfare, we may have to be ready to destroy China using any means possible (nuclear if necessary). It's a crappy option, but one we may have to exercise under this type of dire, chaotic, life threatening, and dangerous circumstance. I would expect my government (USA) to exact a painful retaliation 10 fold.

Skybird 05-28-07 04:13 AM

Spoken by testicles, not by brains.

Fish 05-28-07 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Spoken by testicles, not by brains.

I thought he was joking.:oops:

NefariousKoel 05-28-07 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishmael
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Just wait for when China decides to convert it's Dollar reserves into Euros. Wallstreet's "Black Friday" will appear to be a harmless joke, compared to that.

They won't do that until they're ready to take Taiwan. That way the US won't be able to afford the fuel to get over there to stop them.

Hell, I can barely afford to drive to work these days as it is.:shifty:

Skybird 05-28-07 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Spoken by testicles, not by brains.

I thought he was joking.:oops:

I thought not.

Godalmighty83 05-28-07 05:52 AM

[hugs pound coin]


mhh.

elite_hunter_sh3 05-28-07 05:56 AM

If america does bomb china.... with nukes...as long as the radiation and all doesnt reach Canada im down for it.:hmm:..China is #1 polluter... biggest population... and biggest threat ... as they literrally have the man power to conquer asia and europe with ease...and probably the world.... heres a scenario where nukes are a good thing!:up::arrgh!:

Letum 05-28-07 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
If america does bomb china.... with nukes...as long as the radiation and all doesnt reach Canada im down for it.:hmm:..China is #1 polluter... biggest population... and biggest threat ... as they literrally have the man power to conquer asia and europe with ease...and probably the world.... heres a scenario where nukes are a good thing!:up::arrgh!:

Are you serious?!
Do you know what your saying?
Thats a bloody big heap of bad karma.

elite_hunter_sh3 05-28-07 06:43 AM

think about it.... population of 1.3billion and rising... dont forget about the chinese population in other countries..... and with a base army of 100 million troops and a rapidly growing economy... = bad outcome.. with their reserves they can go up to 400 MILLION + troops... while USA's entire population is 300 million :o:huh:....once china feels like they want to flex their fists and go fight someone... they will.. they are just waiting till their economy is the highest it can be... they got new tanks, airplanes, helicopters, nukes, nuclear submarines rivalling the american subs.., massive amount of troops..... all i see is a grime future for the world... unless china is stopped... here and now... diplomatic means wont do anything because they now still have a strong army.. :shifty::shifty:

elite_hunter_sh3 05-28-07 06:44 AM

courtesy of fish

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115530

Hitman 05-28-07 07:33 AM

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If China maliciously dumps the dollar in this type of economic warfare, we may have to be ready to destroy China using any means possible (nuclear if necessary). It's a crappy option, but one we may have to exercise under this type of dire, chaotic, life threatening, and dangerous circumstance. I would expect my government (USA) to exact a painful retaliation 10 fold.
Sounds like a rude way of not paying your debts :lol:

BTW maliciously? Why should China want to keep so much bons of a currency that might suffer heavy loses once the US economy can no longer stand its huge deficit?

The US economy is doomed, it's only a matter of when will the deficit exceed the credit capacity. If I had dollars I would get rid of them ASAP:huh:

What China is doing is an enormous favor to have taken so many until now....:hmm:

Happy Times 05-28-07 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitman
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If China maliciously dumps the dollar in this type of economic warfare, we may have to be ready to destroy China using any means possible (nuclear if necessary). It's a crappy option, but one we may have to exercise under this type of dire, chaotic, life threatening, and dangerous circumstance. I would expect my government (USA) to exact a painful retaliation 10 fold.
Sounds like a rude way of not paying your debts :lol:

BTW maliciously? Why should China want to keep so much bons of a currency that might suffer heavy loses once the US economy can no longer stand its huge deficit?

The US economy is doomed, it's only a matter of when will the deficit exceed the credit capacity. If I had dollars I would get rid of them ASAP:huh:

What China is doing is an enormous favor to have taken so many until now....:hmm:

I agree, im wondering where all that money has gone.:hmm: If i would be living in the US id put my savings in Europe as Euros.

Jimbuna 05-28-07 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitman
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If China maliciously dumps the dollar in this type of economic warfare, we may have to be ready to destroy China using any means possible (nuclear if necessary). It's a crappy option, but one we may have to exercise under this type of dire, chaotic, life threatening, and dangerous circumstance. I would expect my government (USA) to exact a painful retaliation 10 fold.
Sounds like a rude way of not paying your debts :lol:

BTW maliciously? Why should China want to keep so much bons of a currency that might suffer heavy loses once the US economy can no longer stand its huge deficit?

The US economy is doomed, it's only a matter of when will the deficit exceed the credit capacity. If I had dollars I would get rid of them ASAP:huh:

What China is doing is an enormous favor to have taken so many until now....:hmm:

I agree...we Brits are hanging on to the pound for grim death. it's only a matter of time before the inevitable change over to Euros will happen :yep:

Fish 05-28-07 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

Ok tell them your ok with some nukes on there head.


http://www.xs4all.nl/~peschiwj/chinese-children.jpg

Sea Demon 05-28-07 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Spoken by testicles, not by brains.

No. Spoken by a sense of survival. Doesn't have anything to do with parts of the body at all. If China is building large foreign exchange reserves in dollars simply so they can drop an economic bomb, such as dumping them quickly and completely so as to prevent US military action, or stop oil deliveries to America.....that's just like dropping a bomb of destruction. That means simple deliveries of food within America may be disrupted to the point of non-delivery. I don't know about you, but not being able to eat is hazardous to your health where I come from. With that said, the nuclear option is only the most extreme. And it is the least desirable. But indeed, I would expect the US government to retaliate in a way that would make them pay an ultimate price. China needs to know that economic warfare is not in their interests, and will be painful to them if they partake in it.

If they want to exchange their foreign reserves nominally, then they should do so. But nevertheless, I'm willing to bet that they will not do so at all. The Euro as a long term option ain't that good as is. With a large, yet rapidly shrinking, and aging population sucking on government pensions, and a burgeoning low skilled/hostile Muslim infusion in Europe.....I wouldn't bet on it.

Skybird 05-28-07 11:00 AM

Nobody forced you to sell your dollars offworld. Nobody forced you to waste oil like crazy, and still refuse until today to tackle that problem of excessive wasting ressources, and not to adapt your economy. Nobody forced you to ignore the economical developement in Asia for decades. Nobody forced you to raise a state deficit that high that only astronomers have an image of what the numbers mean. Nobody forced you to run your economy in a way that today the inherent weaknesses and vulnerabilities not only become more and more appearant, but also more and more threatening. Nobody forced you to trust stock markets, and to launch this madness called "globalization" (about which your own pliticians for the most have become remarkably silent since two years or so). Nobody forced you to let major parts of your heavy industry rot, and not modernize your steelworks since decades. Nobody forced you to follow an economic course where you depend more and more on market protection and subsidies to keep your home factories alive. Nobody forced you to sell out parts of your country to Asian investors. Nobody forced you to accept a trade deficit that in the short run funded your luxury (past), in the long run only cripples your economical backbone (present and future).

You did all that voluntarily. Nobody forced you, no one else told you you should do it, nobody else is responsible for your situation than you yourself. You sold yourself, by your own decision. Nobody forced you.

You may take some comfort from the historical fact that most empires, including the Romans, weakened themselves from within when eroding their inner economy by becoming more and more dependent on a constant input of economic goods to consume, that was maintained from the outside. Rome, like America, saw itself as the navel of the world, and considered it to be quite naturally for that reason to become a great consumer, but not as great a producer. Many empires literally consumed themselves to death, mislearned how to support themselves anymore by their own economical effort, and were bancrupted by exessive military spending that their own internal economy could not afford -it was heavily depending on constant financial inputs from foreign powers. exactly the same is true of the Us today - if investors would stop to think in dollars and turn to Euros, if investors would rlaize that they are only helping to increase bubbles that sooner or later mist burst - America would face a very brutal landing on the surface of hard reality. European nations in the past 500 years repeatedly reached that point - namely Spain, France and Portugal. The British only were able to sustain the fight against Napoleon by adressing these issues just in time, by reforming their fiscal and tax system.

I once have said two or three years ago that american economy is far weaker and vulnerable than americans are able to admit. Back then I was laughed at only, and saw waving hands. At least some have stopped laughing now. The rest of it will be learned sooner or later, too.

Else it is "Game Over, player US looses".

P.S. Some "experts" fear that Chinese economy is heading for a bubble-bursting soon. If that happens and it is the main bubble bursting, internal investement markets in the US as well as the already troubled property market will have a chance to get a first taste of spicey things to come. I don't know why America seem to have assumed that it would be spared from it's creature called globalization. and compared to several european countries with partially far more modern industry branches (especially steel and machinery), America is not really as well prepared for that. If other nations will suffer econo0mically, the military spendings and investements into computer equipement are the first to be cut. And what Western economy depends on selling of arms and computers more than anyone else?

Iceman 05-28-07 11:53 AM

Sky-wizard again to the rescue....I'm so glad you are here Skybird to point out all the things people should be doing or should have done because you told us so a few yrs ago....do you get your prophecy from a crystal ball or do you consult the stars?..or is it simply your superior athesist intellect farther evolved than the rest of us?

The things you think are knowledge are not....it is as easy at looking at clouds and know rain is coming....but thank you again for the weather report.....hows the weather in your neighborhood Skybird?


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