Global Warming
 

so what do yall think? Is it phoney bologni, or is it real deal. Are we going to burn a hole is our o zone with cfc, or are they to heavy to get up there. Are we going to smother in co2 from our own machines, or could this all be "the inconvienent lie"

YALL DECIDE!

It has the potential to be a threat, but its all bloated out so the government has an excuse to charge us a 'Green Tax' :shifty:

Were're all DOOMED. Let's pack our bags and get the hell outta here.
Any suggestions?

Winter finally arrived here in London today with a heavy blanket of snow.

My personal view on the topic is that blobal warming is happening right now. IMO there is no doubt about that. For me the question is how much of this global warming is because of us? :hmm:

We got winter two days earlier than London, which is unusual for Suffolk, usually we get everything about fifty years after London.

There's definately something going on that's mucking things up, whether it's a natural process, or a man-made one...or even a natural process that's been made worse by man...that I can't say...though my money is on the last answer.

Now can we do something about it in time? At the moment, I'd say, yes we probably could...but our window of opportunity is closing fast...at some point in the next thirty years I'd say we'll hit the point of no return, and then it won't matter what we do because we'll have screwed ourselves.

The main problem is that the planet is vastly overpopulated and there needs to be a drastic plan to bring it down. Perhaps take a lead out of China where they limit one child per family.
The other serious matter is the felling of the Amazon rainforest. Without this we are definitely in the deep S***

Seems NASA is saying that Mars is also warming. Last I checked there weren't any little green men driving SUVs and burning coal on Mars.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17977

I think its definatly happening and the really terrible thing about it all is that the people who are contributing virtually nothing towards GW are the ones who will suffer the most, ie; Africa

It's interesting how us Brits accept that it's happening and real and our American friends here are still not sure (this is just an observation and not a dig I promise)

It was on the news the other day that by 2060 the UK may not have any more summers and that from then on it could be warm rain in the summer and cold rain in the winter(yeah I know - no change there)

What really is annoying is that if we have to abandon ship then the only ones who'll be able to afford to go, will be the rich g#ts who helped cause the problem in the first place - the likes of you and me will roast(or drown)

Darn right there Kapitan_Phillips have a drink on me.

The UN is on the case. :shifty:

The current problem is most of the worlds governments would rather have a healthy (and steadily growing) economy first, than a healthy planet.

They need to get their priorities sorted out.

That's quite a chilling statement. I remember reading this quote sometime ago.
The other culprit is Henry Kissinger, yes him of the Club of Rome.

1.5 child per family - ie twins happens sometimes - should stabilize the population at 2 billion people. At our present rates and resource usage, we will die and science won't be able to save us if some crazy bombs our infrastructure or something. I predict mass starvation is in the worlds future because of some terrorists act, or even the act of another state (China comes to mind again).

ANyway, if anyone cares to see what our future holds, read up on Easter Island.

-S

Well, if it is going to happen, I wish it would hurry up, it has been unseasonably cold here in the midwest....

You can't have one without the other, good point:up: I am tired of hearing " we won't do it if it will hurt the economy ", if that continues to be the attitude, we wil not have an economy to worry about.

RDP

I think the news media are on the wrong track on what's causing the problem, even the people in the street admit that the weather has changed in the last ten years, but the scientist blame it on a little hot spot in the Pacific Ocean called El Nino.

I say it goes deeper than that ... all the way to the core of the earth. I started reading Edgar Cayce books back in 1984 and one particular passage always intrested me ... Edgar Cayce said in one of his prophecies that the world's poles would change (this has happened before) and that strange weather would occur from this changing of the poles starting in 1997.

In 1997 California/Arizona had one of it's most rainey seasons it has ever had and the weather just keeps on changing.

Here's an article about the changing of the poles ... I'll go find a link and add it later, but it is worth considering and it will be very nasty for a lot of poor people, not to mention us above average modern electronic people. We still have about five years left by the way ... Not suppose to finish changing till 2012

Quote:

The Shifting of the Earth's Poles Has Begun, as predicted by Edgar Cayce in 1936 The reason this is of interest to us is that Edgar Cayce predicted that the beginning of the New Age would coincide with a pole shift. In this NOVA show, scientists explained: “2,000 miles beneath our feet is the Earth’s molten core. Here a vast ocean of liquid iron generates an invisible force, the Earth’s magnetic field. It’s what makes our compasses point north. But it does a lot more: it helps to keep the Earth a living planet. Our neighbors, Venus and Mars, have only weak magnetic fields, which means they’re unprotected from the deadly radiation sweeping through the solar system. The Earth, on the other hand, exists within a vast magnetic cocoon, a force-field that for billions of years has sheltered us on our journey through space.” But now scientists have made a startling discovery: it seems there’s a storm brewing deep within the Earth, a storm that is weakening our vital magnetic shield. Peter Olson at Johns Hopkins University explained that “the Earth’s magnetic field has been our protector for millennia, and now, it appears, it’s about to go away.” Cayce indicated that the pole shift would become apparent in 2000 to 2001. The NOVA show revealed that the shift has indeed begun in the South Atlantic Ocean region, between Africa and South America. Here the north-south polarity is fluctuating back and forth, weakening the shield against solar radiation. During the pole shift process, the planet’s electromagnetic shield will no longer channel the solar winds to our current poles, where few people live. The Northern and Southern lights are a result of radiation moving to the poles. Since radiation causes many problems, the weakening of the shield is a concern. A weak magnetic shield also means that the Northern and Southern lights will be seen all around the planet, even along the equator. It may be a beautiful, wondrous, visionary time for Earth but not a healthy time for many of its inhabitants.

http://www.edgarcayce.org/historycha...prophecies.asp

Here's the link, but don't go and join these people they are the new age greedy gurus you need to stay away from, but Edgar Cayce himself was a true prophet.

After I re-read the post I sound like Chicken Little, uh ... Don't be afraid of something we have no control over.

Human activity is negatively effecting the earths climate. This is being echoed time and again by some of the worlds most gifted scientists. Yet others feel the whole thing is a lie and dismiss it outright. I'm no expert or scientist, though from everthing I have witnessed and read on this topic, there's no doubt in my mind global warming is a very real crisis. I encourage everyone to open their mind to the possibilty and do your own research. Read reports from reputable sources from both sides of the issue and form your own opinion.

Here's a vision which could come true

Some time in the next hundred years powerful men will come forward with the solution which will be mass killing of selected areas of the human population and they will sell this idea as the only way forward.

I hope this never See's the light of day.

Where did you find that quote? You don't happen to have an old copy of the UNESCO Courier?

Guys
 

Dont Panic. it will all work out at the end.

Humanity on earth is analogous to a slime mould spore, and I dont mean this in a derogatory manner. but its our job to soil our bed, its all part of the natural mechanism.

in the case of a slime mould spore it lands on the rotting peach on the ground
and starts to colonize it.
as the colony starts it begins work on a spore tower and over the life of
the colony the spore tower is slowly constructed. during the first 80% of the colonies expansion and existence 80% of the peach and 80% of the membership of the colony is consumed building the first 20% of the spore tower
As the peach starts to run out of resources and the colony out of members
there is a flurry of exponentially increased activity and efficiency and during the last 20% of the colony and its resources existence the last 80% of the spore tower is completed. as the last resource and last of the colony membership is consumed.

Population pressure and resource crisis are the mechanisms that drive the evolution.

Mankind may like to think of themselves as individuals but the creature man on earth is indeed a single entity with base reflexes and instincts that are far more subtle than our ability to divine on an average day.

so dont panic simply put if it is observed data it is all a natural occurance.
and nature has been doing this much longer than we have.

MM