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Takeda Shingen 11-18-06 04:54 PM

Just popped into my head
 
Have you ever noticed, that in the horrendous Return of the Jedi, the opposing fleets have to fly within each other's line of sight to engage? Are you telling me that the Galactic Empire has mastered space flight, light speed travel, clean-burning and efficient power, but lacks OTH targeting? Every battle must be a knife fight?

Also, Star Destroyers carry short-range fighter 'aircraft'. As such, they are 'Star Carriers'. Furthermore, what is the point of building the big black ships? They don't seem to have any enhancement in the capability department. Did someone just say, 'I know, let's built a really big one. It will be like all of the others, but just really, really big'? In fact, all that they seem to do is fly really slow and force the other ships to throw themselves between it and the enemy guns.

Who designed this fleet? The Czar?

Sailor Steve 11-18-06 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen
Who designed this fleet? The Czar?

People who know nothing of real combat, nor care to. People who said "Let's see how many cool things we can put on screen!"

Tchocky 11-18-06 06:22 PM

space has a horizon?

TteFAboB 11-18-06 06:38 PM

And a Czar?

Torplexed 11-18-06 06:42 PM

Frankly, I gave up watching any Star Wars movie that didn't have a Harrison Ford in it. His smirky grin was what kept that increasingly bloated franchise afloat.

August 11-18-06 07:10 PM

Nice size comparison of the various movie and TV show starships here:

http://izlin.free.fr/eve/images/compilation.jpg

STEED 11-18-06 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen
Have you ever noticed, that in the horrendous Return of the Jedi, the opposing fleets have to fly within each other's line of sight to engage? Are you telling me that the Galactic Empire has mastered space flight, light speed travel, clean-burning and efficient power, but lacks OTH targeting? Every battle must be a knife fight?

Also, Star Destroyers carry short-range fighter 'aircraft'. As such, they are 'Star Carriers'. Furthermore, what is the point of building the big black ships? They don't seem to have any enhancement in the capability department. Did someone just say, 'I know, let's built a really big one. It will be like all of the others, but just really, really big'? In fact, all that they seem to do is fly really slow and force the other ships to throw themselves between it and the enemy guns.

Who designed this fleet? The Czar?

If you think you can do better start writing episodes 7,8 and 9. :p ;)

tycho102 11-18-06 07:30 PM

I'm not going to go into a rant about Lucas, because it would involve Shaka Zulu and Shinto.

Most of us are fully aware that Lucas started completely blowing it about 1984. The fleet was designed by czar Lucas. Just watch the movie and hush.

August 11-18-06 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tycho102
I'm not going to go into a rant about Lucas, because it would involve Shaka Zulu and Shinto.

Most of us are fully aware that Lucas started completely blowing it about 1984. The fleet was designed by czar Lucas. Just watch the movie and hush.

See the chart i posted above. There seems to have been a competition for among the various space shows for the biggest which Lucas has won hands down.

Torplexed 11-18-06 08:19 PM

Honestly, there's been so many other movies since the first Star Wars that have great effects and great stories that the series as a whole really feels unspecial and contrived. Namely with Lord of the Rings, but even the rise of CG animated movies( Nemo, The Incredibles) Lucas should have called it a day with the first three and considered himself lucky. It's sad that he got so caught up playing with CGI and all the other funky technology that he doesn't realize that his last films had more technical flaws than all the amateur fan-films out there put together.

Perilscope 11-18-06 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed
Honestly, there's been so many other movies since the first Star Wars that have great effects and great stories that the series as a whole really feels unspecial and contrived. Namely with Lord of the Rings, but even the rise of CG animated movies( Nemo, The Incredibles) Lucas should have called it a day with the first three and considered himself lucky. It's sad that he got so caught up playing with CGI and all the other funky technology that he doesn't realize that his last films had more technical flaws than all the amateur fan-films out there put together.

I agree!
Also I do not understand how these new series have better spaceships than the first series, which is after in the timeline. That chrome sleek spaceship in the Phantom Menace is just way out of timeline.:down:

XabbaRus 11-19-06 06:48 AM

Star Trek and Babylon 5 had much more credible ships imho.

Takeda Shingen 11-19-06 08:28 AM

Intended as levity, and evidently was poorly conceived. I shall return to my humorless moderator-related duties. My apologies to all who were offended.

The Avon Lady 11-19-06 10:51 AM

The Empire strikes back. :nope:

NeonSamurai 11-19-06 10:58 AM

The reason why it was like that in the movies (and tv) is because the battles would be far less exciting to watch. Far better if you can see both sides at the same time duking it out.

Dowly 11-19-06 11:21 AM

Nevermind...

joea 11-19-06 11:23 AM

Spaceships in Star Trek were on the same screen in external shots even when Spock/Data/etc. said the ships were at (many hundreds of KM) away. It just looks cool ummmkay?

August 11-19-06 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen
Intended as levity, and evidently was poorly conceived. I shall return to my humorless moderator-related duties. My apologies to all who were offended.

I got the joke and don't see anything you should aplogize for.

IMO futuristic spaceship designs in TV and movies set hundreds or thousands of years in the future shouldn't have to follow real life turn-of-the-21st-century design norms.

While I agree that some of the movie/TV spaceships could have used someone with a better eye for styling, as we've seen from various depictions of expected future land, space and air vehicles from the 40's and 50's even relatively short projections are nearly always wildly incorrect.

STEED 11-19-06 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Those sad acts still here!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That crap only came around back in the 80's to get out of paying poll tax.

Iceman 11-19-06 03:37 PM

B5 was an awesome show...the program Celestia has some cool add-ons to place the ships in B5 out in the galaxy...I have loaded Zahadum and the shadows around it...very cool show I miss it...sniff sniff.:cry:


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