SHO on RPS
 

Thanks for the link!

The more I hear about this game the less likely I am going to play it. There isn't much here that personally interests me, I'm afraid. But I am sure many others will enjoy it. :)

Well thats what I expected. The only 3D enviornment is what you see through the periscope. Other than that you are looking at a 'picture' of the inside of your boat or a map.

Blah. Flash games are taking gaming back ten years but with more annoying crashes. Flash lately has been giving me issues with YouTube much less actual games.

The vast majority of the gaming market seems to be shifting more toward little flash games and those quickie games that the non-gamers play. There seem to be less and less hardcore games coming out each year. Unfortunately, more people play "Farmville" or "Angry Birds" kind of games rather than any game you have to invest time and effort into (maybe with the exception of Skyrim). As far as military games, I don't think we're ever going to see something with the complexity and feel of Dangerous Waters or Silent Hunter 3 or 4 again and if we do, it will be a miracle.

Why paint it all black?

Yes, the market is going down the river, especially for gamers like us. But that must not be the end of it. Things change all the time and sometimes even for the better...:yeah:

This is my first post since joining this wonderful community. I recently dusted off my SH4 and figured I would give it a whirl since I had not actually played it yet (I purchased it just before moving a few years ago and forgot I had it).

I have to say SHO looks about as intruiging as the movie Battleship. I wholeheartedly agree with each response so far that Flash has been the death knock of the gaming community.

Low skilled developers and programmers have traded in truly hard earned experience historically attached to extremely high quality titles for products with a few thousand lines of code and subpar depth all in the goal of a quick buck. Shame on them...and everyone who accepts this material.

What is the defense? The most common response I have received is "People do not want to spend $50 on a game and then spend 5 hours just learning how to play and then go on 10 hour gaming sessions."

Ahem...well, how much does the average person spend on farmville? Let us see. My cousin, who is what I would call a highly intelligent person, spends an average of $20 a week on flash-based game upgrades (or micro-purchases as they like to call them) and then spends at least 5 hours a day upkeeping crops, fish or other nonsensical and unrewarding games.

So, from a big picture perspective (which I think is the key ability the current generation is missing), I buy SH4 at release for $40 and then buy...ummm...oh yeah, the expansion for $10 and then...welll...hrmmm...oh creative material released by the community costs....ummm...oh it is free...that is right.

In a year I would estimate the flash gamer spends easily over $500 while I enjoy quality games with depth and visual appeal for, what, you figure three games a year? Less than $100.

Yes, I think we will have to suck it up until this fad expires, just as the Facebook limelight is beginning to fade. Once the rotation is complete we will be back to some quality games and programs again...then again, maybe it is simply the end. I hope not.

Titles like Armed Assault, Silent Hunter 4 (and lower...not 5) give me solace. Thoughts?

WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:

Isnt this game just player subs against convoy AI

Thanks Steve!

If it drives a lot of people to get involved in sub simulators I say it is a good thing.
To shoot more or less random numbers: if 100'000 people play it, and 10% want more, we get 10'000 more SH/DW players :woot:

That's a good point. :sunny:

*sigh*

I purchased SHV, played it once and never again. :( what a waste of $$.

Thanks for the link Arclight. Interesting reading.

So you're not familiar with the work that's been done by our stable of talented modders? A lot of people think it's money well spent.

Give it a second chance!

Hit the mod forum and load up, you'll be glad you did. It's becoming my favorite in the series after all the modding.

You guys are forgetting that computer gaming is a fairly recent phenomenon. Even more recent is the number of people who actually play video/computer games. When most of us started, computer games were a niche market, and so many of them catered to the geeks who enjoyed things like Dungeons and Dragons and other highly technical games. Those days are gone. The people remain, but they are no longer where the money is. The money is in casual games that appeal to the masses and enormous blockbuster games that bring the hard-core gamers out (and there's a lot of them). But there's a lot of these "little" games and Flash games because the development cost is low and if a programmer strikes a nerve he can become very wealthy. I suggest if you're expecting an intricate game, like most of you hope for, hang your hat on another publisher/developer because most of these large companies are going to cater to the masses, and subsims are definitely a niche market. Theoretically speaking you guys have the means to bring to market the Submarine simulator you've all been longing for. Pool your resources and hire some professionals to build it. Who better to drive the development of the ultimate subsim than Neal and you guys who frequent this site.

Sub Sims
 

I've read through these posts and see there's alot of dislike for the flashgames and a desire to find more sim players. Well, here's your chance :). I would love to find a sim that is just as exciting after playing for 6 months as it was the first week. I don't like the Farmville type games at all. I've been playing MMO's and, quite frankly, I suck at them. I don't have the typing skills serious gamers have so I am basically fodder. I would love to find a PC game that is immersive and isn't old hat in just a few months. I read pros and cons about Silent Hunter 4 and DW. Most are very old posts from 2005-2006. Is there a sub sim (or any other) that is exciting and imerrsive out there?

WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:

I'm still playing SH4 after almost six years, and I'm still playing SH3 after almost eight years. I still sometimes play SH1 after sixteen years, and I even put Aces Of The Deep on from time to time, and it's eighteen years old.

On the topic of 'any other' its hard to beat either Arma2 (plus expansions & mods) or anything from Eagle Dynamics/DCS World (i.e. BlackShark2, A10-C or FC3).

Next year we should have Arma3 and X Rebirth (if you are open to space sims), and of course Silent Hunter Online plus the continued mod support for previous SH titles.