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Stealth Hunter 03-12-09 06:00 PM

Rise of Flight Demo Confirmed
 
http://wwiaircombat.com/articles/ris...demo-confirmed


So it begins.:rock:

FIREWALL 03-12-09 06:30 PM

The answers to questions #3 and #5 will unfortunatly keep me from being a customer.

HunterICX 03-12-09 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
So it begins.:rock:

It so ends in my case,
seeying those answers and their policy of purchasing pairs of aircraft...

HunterICX

Kratos 03-12-09 06:53 PM

I was really looking forward to this game as well :cry: ah well another few quid saved for a rainy day.

FIREWALL 03-12-09 07:34 PM

Checkout the screenshots. Since I have FSX Deluxe Gold I'm getting this and the two mission packs.

WWI Missions game.

http://www.abacuspub.com/default_fs.html

Stealth Hunter 03-12-09 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL
The answers to questions #3 and #5 will unfortunatly keep me from being a customer.

Pity, especially since #3 is very common for today's games (most require an Internet connection) and #5 isn't that big of a deal (just fly a training mission or a SP mission).

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
It so ends in my case,
seeying those answers and their policy of purchasing pairs of aircraft...

What was your problem with their answers? Oh- could you also give a link to their purchase policy.

Lieste 03-12-09 11:43 PM

Oh well....

ROF, RIP...

FIREWALL 03-13-09 01:08 AM

Hi SH :DL I just won't buy a game I have to connect to play.

I have a good friend who is between jobs and can't afford internet.

He'd be screwed now.

BilboSmeggins 03-13-09 03:48 AM

I am subscribed to the iracing service, which is also internet only. At first it is a big deal, but in the end you live with it. Bottom line is - if it's quality you will succumb in the end.........

HunterICX 03-13-09 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
It so ends in my case,
seeying those answers and their policy of purchasing pairs of aircraft...

What was your problem with their answers? Oh- could you also give a link to their purchase policy.

Well, if my ISP is doing something and I don't have internet for a while it seems I can't play ROF.

I know many games have this new DRM, but then you wont need to insert the disc as long your connected to the internet, if it fails well you have to insert the disc and voila I still can play the game. And what about if their server is down or having issues...you cant play your game either, so its harsh to not include an offline mode.

and...

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOFT
10/16/2008 11:28:19 AM

1) Yes, we are preparing full missions’editor for the release. It will be available soon, that’s all I can say by now 2) Free: Newport 28, Albatros D5. Also you will be able to get two new planes at the day of release for additional payment - Spad XIII, Fokker DVII. Further we plan to let out 1-2 new planes in a month (preliminary) 3) We do our best to make game ready by 2008. Under specific circumstances it may be ready by first quarter 2009.

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/Octobe...spx?lang=en-US

look in the comments.

HunterICX

Raptor1 03-13-09 05:19 AM

I don't actually care about the internet connection required to play, what really kills the game for me is the limited plane count and the limited campaign (I mean, 1917-1918 with only the Germans or Americans playing with 2 planes?)

Can't see any reason why this one would top a good modded RB3D in any way except the graphics

Schroeder 03-13-09 05:51 AM

What do I do if the company goes belly up in the near future and shuts down it's server? Shall i throw my copy of ROF in the garbage bin then?:timeout:

Thanks, a no go for me.:down:
Besides two planes to start with is redicolous.:-?

Stealth Hunter 03-13-09 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
Well, if my ISP is doing something and I don't have internet for a while it seems I can't play ROF.

Same case for a lot of other games since most today require an Internet connection. Why do you need to play ROF right at that moment? If your ISP is updating something and has shut down, then go watch a World War I movie, listen to some music, read a book, or talk with some friends for a few hours.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
I know many games have this new DRM, but then you wont need to insert the disc as long your connected to the internet, if it fails well you have to insert the disc and voila I still can play the game.

The difference between this system and DRM is that DRM gets in and screws with your registry files. Once it gets in, it's incredibly hard to get it out. I learned that the hard way when I bought SPORE.

It's either that Draconian software BS or a required Internet connection. Take your pick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
And what about if their server is down or having issues...you cant play your game either, so its harsh to not include an offline mode.

Their main center has many servers (look at their staff photos and they have some pics of how many they have). If one fails, you've got plenty more. If they fail, you've still got backup servers. It's pretty much the same kind of deal for Relic's and THQ's Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOFT
2) Free: Newport 28, Albatros D5. Also you will be able to get two new planes at the day of release for additional payment - Spad XIII, Fokker DVII. Further we plan to let out 1-2 new planes in a month (preliminary)

I've got new information, though, that says otherwise (from February 27, 2009):

http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_400a.html

I quote:

There were 4 planes and 4 missions available to select in this build version (but there will be many more in the final shipping version).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor1
I don't actually care about the internet connection required to play, what really kills the game for me is the limited plane count and the limited campaign (I mean, 1917-1918 with only the Germans or Americans playing with 2 planes?)

Again:

http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_400a.html

There were 4 planes and 4 missions available to select in this build version (but there will be many more in the final shipping version).

That comes from a February 27, 2009 report from Doug Atkinson (and I have trusted his reviews for a long time). Hunter's source comes from October 2008. It seems their original plans have been changed (I'm guessing you'll still get to purchase new planes, though).

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Originally Posted by Raptor1
Can't see any reason why this one would top a good modded RB3D in any way except the graphics

No other mod out there for RB3D simulates all that ROF has to offer, not even Full Canvas Jacket (and I LOVED my Full Canvas Jacket back in the day).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder
What do I do if the company goes belly up in the near future and shuts down it's server? Shall i throw my copy of ROF in the garbage bin then?

Do you by chance have STEAM? If so, did you ever ask that same question about their games?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder
Besides two planes to start with is ridiculous.

First off, I've already supplied, twice now, a February 27, 2009, SimHQ review of the game that states there are currently four planes (and four single player missions) to choose from, but the final build will include many more. Hunter's quote came from October 2008, quite a while ago. Second, paying an extra $10 for more planes isn't that big of a deal (I'm guessing they still have that in, since the article didn't mention anything about that being removed). I spend more than that picking up something to eat from the deli. Third, the devs have already said that the game will be modder-friendly (meaning there's a lot of potential for awesome and original aircraft to be made in the future by third party sources).

I think I'll start a thread revolving around that SimHQ review so people can find out what the game will be like before they start going into a frenzy.

FIREWALL 03-13-09 03:40 PM

I understand why they and others do this. :yep:

To protect their game from being stolen for free.:yep:

HunterICX 03-13-09 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
Well, if my ISP is doing something and I don't have internet for a while it seems I can't play ROF.

Same case for a lot of other games since most today require an Internet connection. Why do you need to play ROF right at that moment? If your ISP is updating something and has shut down, then go watch a World War I movie, listen to some music, read a book, or talk with some friends for a few hours.

I've been weeks without internet due ISP is fixing the whole network as storm caused it to fail everywhere. could happen again....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
I know many games have this new DRM, but then you wont need to insert the disc as long your connected to the internet, if it fails well you have to insert the disc and voila I still can play the game.

The difference between this system and DRM is that DRM gets in and screws with your registry files. Once it gets in, it's incredibly hard to get it out. I learned that the hard way when I bought SPORE.

It's either that Draconian software BS or a required Internet connection. Take your pick.

(see below)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
And what about if their server is down or having issues...you cant play your game either, so its harsh to not include an offline mode.

Their main center has many servers (look at their staff photos and they have some pics of how many they have). If one fails, you've got plenty more. If they fail, you've still got backup servers. It's pretty much the same kind of deal for Relic's and THQ's Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts.

I happen to have CoH, and I like their policy.
with internet you have an online check, no CD required in the drive

if you dont have internet at the moment, Insert the Disk as it asks for it and you can play OFFLINE.

ROF could do the same deal, but they wont...well too bad.
OFFLINE is a must so people wont be prevented from playing their purchased games. if I purchase software I want to be in control of it and I decide whenever I can run/play it, NOT THEM.

HunterICX

FIREWALL 03-13-09 04:03 PM

@ Hunter ICX


OFFLINE is a must so people wont be prevented from playing their purchased games. if I purchase software I want to be in control of it and I decide whenever I can run/play it, NOT THEM.

HunterICX


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Schroeder 03-13-09 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Do you by chance have STEAM? If so, did you ever ask that same question about their games?

That is exactly why I don't have any steam games.:shifty:

I will wait and see what the final product will be like and decide then. If it is online only then I won't buy it, simple as that.

Stealth Hunter 03-13-09 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
I've been weeks without internet due ISP is fixing the whole network as storm caused it to fail everywhere. could happen again....

Well that sucks, but we can't get it perfect for everyone, now can we?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
I happen to have CoH, and I like their policy.
with internet you have an online check, no CD required in the drive

if you dont have internet at the moment, Insert the Disk as it asks for it and you can play OFFLINE.

Yeah, so they are indeed similar, aside from the disk part. But really, the whole "you must be connected to the Internet anyway" deal should not be any more frustrating than COH's system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
ROF could do the same deal, but they wont...well too bad.

Fine. Don't buy it. Thousands of others will, myself included.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
OFFLINE is a must so people wont be prevented from playing their purchased games.

Deal with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
if I purchase software I want to be in control of it and I decide whenever I can run/play it, NOT THEM.

You are in control. The only thing that will stop you is if your ISP goes down temporarily or if your connection goes kaput for good. And if the first one is happening, get some patience and wait for your ISP to boot back up. If the first one happens, go out and buy another connection because it's not their fault it died.

It's really not that bad of a system. The problem is people expecting all their wants to be catered to, but you will always have to give in to a few of the devs requirements if you want to game-on. It's as simple as that.

Inevitably, curiousity and temptation take hold. Seeing those juicy screenshots, I know quite a few people who are bitching about the system will give in.

Stealth Hunter 03-13-09 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Do you by chance have STEAM? If so, did you ever ask that same question about their games?

That is exactly why I don't have any steam games.:shifty:

A company such as STEAM that takes in that much money is probably not going to just suddenly kick the bucket over night and be shut down. I personally dislike a lot about STEAM, but a lot of the games I want to play require it, so if I want to play them, then I might as well accept it and just learn to have some patience... and discipline.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder
If it is online only then I won't buy it, simple as that.

Fine. Plenty of others will. I know I'll be pre-ordering it.

AVGWarhawk 03-15-09 08:42 AM

I have no issue with the internet connection. I play Jutland with the DRM. Loads everytime, checks for updates and I play. Jutland will play without a connection to the net though. ROF is a must for me. However, it needs to be able to utilize two pieces of hardware I own....X52 stick and the TrackIR. Without these, all is lost concerning a flight sim for me. So, before the full version hits the markets I guess it will be a good time now to check on these two items.

Nice write up by SimHQ.


EDIT: Quick check and the X52/TrackIR are Vista supported and for the 64 bit system.


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