Can you name some?

The standard, tried and tested, CD key for one. Heck, just take a look at Sins of a Solar Empire, no DRM whatsoever, the catch is that pirate versions cannot receive updates and expansions.

Well that seems pretty reasonable to me. I read this as:
IF this DRM works then the loss of customers with no/bad internet is worthwhile to stop piracy and regain some lost sales.
IF this DRM is cracked and removed within a week (which to be honest will be like every other DRM to this point) then the whole thing has been a massive failure doing nothing but inconveniencing legitimate customers and probably pushing more people to piracy.

This had better be the most amazing hack-proof DRM concieved up to this point in PC gaming, or UBI are going to look amazingly stupid over this.

In fact, this statement has made me decide to do something I've never done before.
I'll be looking to see if a pirated version of SH5 is available. NOTE: I will NOT be downloading or using it, EVER. However, if I don't find one within a month of release, meaning UPlay actually works as anti-piracy and isn't just corperate BS for "no reselling of our product", then I'll be purchasing.

I still think this DRM is draconian to the max, but if it actually stops piracy then I find it hard to argue that it's the wrong way to go for games companies.
However if it doesn't work, it's done nothing but punish legitimate users.. and I'm in no mood for punishment that does nothing but make UBI feel like at least they made an effort, and they can now guarentee no re-selling and lots of marketing opportunities.

Probably with all this argue pro/against DRM, this game will be cracked very soon after its release, it's a challenge for crackers. And a big one, considering the total volume of talking about the subject.

It may well be released the usual way, Edit--NS

Starforce has made me get at least 15 new drivers over the years. (as in 4).

I don't want to go through that hell again.

Another funny.

The man represents pirates. The car represents paying customers. The bus represents Ubi's DRM:

http://i.imgur.com/zPyuI.gif

Damn, that guy sure was lucky, if he'd been any slower...

Anecdotal evidence is not proof. My daughter's laptop DVD drive stopped recognizing music CDs. I don't think it was U2's fault.

I agree with you first two points, but


read the rules, you cannot make declarations about pirating games or using cracks on legal games in this forum.



I understand that some people will legally buy the game and then look for a crack to remedy whatever inconvenience the copy protection has, but there is no way for you, me, and everyone to tell who is using cracks on legal games and who is pirating the game. So, keep that to yourself.

Note to all: this thread will be locked if this keeps up.

:har: Ok, here's hoping Ubi's new OSP bus is a little faster and a little wider!! :rock:

He never made any declaration that he would pirate the game... he simply said he would look and see if it became available and cracked soon after being released... Is it against the rules to say you will look at something now?

That would be like saying 'I'm going to the library to look at a book on how to get away with murder' (they exist) and you accuse me of being a murderer.

Research and being informed is not a bad thing... those of us who are fully informed on issues are likely to make more reasoned, sensible and rational choices. Being aware that the DRM has been cracked (or not) and that the game is freely available for download (or isn't) is not a declaration of intent to pirate a game and never will be. :)

Heckler, I understand your point, and the problem is not with Martes or badkarma's intentions. For all we know they may be telling the exact truth. However, people who download games illegally will not announce they do this (if they do, the are banned), so there is no way to tell the honest people from the dishonest people. Were you here when SH4 came out? Do you remember the people compaining that the game had serious bugs like the crew chanting numbers over and over and they had big bug eyes? Yeah, those were signs that these people were playing pirated copies of the games.* When you see 200,000 downloads on the torrents, you have to know there's a lot of people playing SH games that did not pay for them, like me...and you.



All we ask is discuss the game, the features, the flaws, the missions, etc but don't get too deep into illegal activities here. Ok? :up:




*Nisgeis, we know you were the exception ;)

Yep! Other people say they have legit copies and the no eyes problem - not sure what the big eyes thing is though. I never had any chanting of numbers, but I did get that horrible whooshing sound on loading save games.

Yeah, we appreciated the lengths you went to in order to prove your game was legal. :salute: