What about german jews, of the time?

I have been following this "debate" with "interest".

Some book titles have been put forward by Fahnenbohn supposedly supporting his views. As those books/papers are in French Fahnenbohn has requested time to get the relevant supporting documentation translated into English. I would like to suggest that this thread is locked/closed until Fahnenbohn has his documentation translated and available and a new thread opened as a formal debate rather than this constant revolving around a fluid motion which can only fail/end up in tears. This could also give others time to get together material as a counter argument - if anyone is really interested.

No smileys or capitals in bold as this is a very emotive subject.

Regards,

MLF

Well, to get over this language barrier, why not use Google Translate?

https://translate.google.co.uk/

Post the original French, then Google translate it, and then that will get the very basic element of what you're trying to get across, and if there are any bits that get lost in translation then we can fix them as we find them.

https://youtu.be/CxDGtu-aMi0?t=245

This is not a in-person forum, one cannot shout over the other here.
You type, submit, it shows. If 10 others type at the same time your post will still show.

About panslavism and WW1.
Russia had no intentions of uniting the slavic nations under one flag. They had Serbia as an ally and a presence in the Balkans. They didn't really care about Slovenes and Croats under the Habsburg yoke.
Serbia would have had ideas of a panslavic country in the Balkans with Slovenes and Croats and they knew Austria-Hungary was sick. But they weren't dumb enough to agregate A-H directly.
Gavrillo princip and the Black hand worked alone, without Belgrade. When the assasination was done Belgrade begged and pleaded to Wien to defuse the situation peacefully. Unfortunately for the world, Franz Joseph was already demented and still living in the age of chilvary and war was the only honorable thing to do. The rest as they say is history.
It wasn't really panslavism, it was a demented Austrian emperor.

You still have to start proving any of the arguments and claims you've made in this thread so why don't you start instead of making more claims and excuses when people ask about them to be backed up. So stop dodging the requests of that work you have and provide them (That they're in French matters little we can get the idea using raw translations from online and perhaps there are some other French people on this board who will bother to post the properly translated version of your work or you do it yourself in due time.)

-Your work of who started World War II according to you and those true historians.

-This video that proves the millions books people have red about history are wrong.

-Which investigation of Oradour sur Glane that the Das Reich Division of the Waffen SS that shot the men and burned the women and children in that church is post-war propaganda.

Provide it.

Don't even start this kind of BS with me, will ya?
I can't stop him from saying ANYTHING, therefore your whole accusation is moot.

I do not have to prove your absurd claims to be wrong - you are the one who has to deliver here, not me.
What you say goes against everything in our history books and don't even start with "history is written by the victor", which is nothing but a cheap excuse to, again, dismiss someone's argument with a catchphrase that is nothing but that - a phrase.

Usually, I don't care about nutcases like you, but when you start to make claims that disrespect those who had to endure it, the fun ends - especially when you try to play the "muh respect, duh!" card!

Origins of WWII
 

Now that WAS an AD HOMINUM attack. This type of argument would never hold up in a court of law.

Veritas delenda est.
Requiescat in pace.

On the contrary, I'm of the opinion he has had many an opportunity.

Sailor Steve
#21 Jimbuna
#31 The above means I post on this without moderation capability/capacity.

MLF
#162 I beg to differ, categoric assurances have been given to Fahnenbohn and any further thread on the matter would be surplus to requirements and most certainly one more too many considering the course this subject has taken and would come back into my remit.

I'm appealing to you all as a forum member to remain calm and act sensibly because this thread is beginning to look like a no-win (no pun intended) situation for anyone and least of all Steve and potentially eventually Neal.

Good, so don't say that what I say is absurd before I've started to speak.

For having a better idea on the official story, please see here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8OKJ8JO3A

If this material is so massive that it requires a multi-person translation effort, then I suggest you condense the information you think is important to a post (or a few) detailing your main claims and arguments supporting them. Anything else that you'd like can be brought in as needed. It'll be easier to stay on topic when there's something to debate about it, and it's also easier to discuss points made on the forum rather than trying to infer them from a reference document. This is a discussion forum, after all.

@ Fahnenbohn: Okay, stop right there. I've said several times that this thread was to be about your original claim, which was that the British started the Second World War. Now we have a link to a discussion on Britain's most famous Holocaust denier? You need to show me what that has to do with the subject. I'm waiting for a response from Neal concerning other subjects. Until you get my go-ahead or refusal, the topic is who started the war.

Stick to it.

@ Everybody: I too am getting tired of the attacks. Either say something about the subject or don't say anything.

Origins of WWII
 

Thank you, Steve.
I was beginning to worry that Fahnenbohn and this entire thread was going to be shouted down.

:hmmm:

Ah, right!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...qL._SY355_.jpg

Thank you, this is my wish too. But as you see, I'm permanently attacked by people who are behaving like children.

So now, please wait for having my explanation rather than saying unnecessary things.

David Irving is a Hitler supporter and said many times the Holocaust was the work of others and Hitler played no part. This is a very sensitive area, David Irving went as far as questioning the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Yes I have read a couple of his books and I wonder if David Irving has read Commandant of Auschwitz by Rudolf Hoess.

Speaking of the holocaust. Jews weren't the only victims.
Homosexuals, gypsies, slavs... They just gave jews priority, the war was over before they would have started to ''clean'' Yugoslavia.
As far as I'm concerned my grandparents we're on their kill list and an atempted murder of my grandparents is an atempted murder of me. That's why I may be a little personaly involved in this.

But we are specifically not doing that. We're speaking of who started the war.

The Nazis.

Nazis invaded Poland September 1st and set in motion the alliance system that brought Britain and France into the conflict.
Yes, Britain did declare war on Germany and not vice versa, but after Germany invaded an ally and refused to back out after repeated attempt by London to defuse the situation.

Timeline
 

September 18, 1931
Japan invades Manchuria.

October 2, 1935–May 1936
Fascist Italy invades, conquers, and annexes Ethiopia.

October 25–November 1, 1936
Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy sign a treaty of co-operation on October 25; on November 1, the Rome-Berlin Axis is announced.

November 25, 1936
Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan sign the Anti-Comintern Pact, directed against the Soviet Union and the international Communist movement.

July 7, 1937
Japan invades China, initiating World War II in the Pacific.

March 11–13, 1938
Germany incorporates Austria in the Anschluss.

September 29, 1938
Germany, Italy, Great Britain, and France sign the Munich agreement which forces the Czechoslovak Republic to cede the Sudetenland, including the key Czechoslovak military defense positions, to Nazi Germany.

March 14–15, 1939
Under German pressure, the Slovaks declare their independence and form a Slovak Republic. The Germans occupy the rump Czech lands in violation of the Munich agreement, forming a Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.

March 31, 1939
France and Great Britain guarantee the integrity of the borders of the Polish state.

April 7–15, 1939
Fascist Italy invades and annexes Albania.

August 23, 1939
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union sign a nonaggression agreement and a secret codicil dividing eastern Europe into spheres of influence.

September 1, 1939
Germany invades Poland, initiating World War II in Europe.

Source:= http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10007306

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