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Red October1984 03-30-13 11:47 AM

I say let the DPRK try...

We can take them on. :hmmm:

Platapus 03-30-13 12:26 PM

There are confusing stories coming out about this issue.

First it was the North Korean Army making a statement that it will no longer be bound by the terms of the armistice. From a legal position, this means squat.

Then the news media is reporting that this came from the North Korean government but I have not seen any citable sources to support this. But than again, from a legal standpoint this means squat.

An armistice can't be nullified just by saying it isnullified. There are documents that need to be filed with the controlling organization (the UN).

Now, of course an armistice can be violated/broken by simply engaging in military action that was prohibited by the terms of the armistice.

Breaking an armistice and nullifying it are two different things.

An argument could be made that North Korea has already broken the armistice by way of their military attacks on parts of South Korea.

In any case, from an armistice nullification legal perspective, KJU can yap anything he likes, he can make any claims that the Norks won't follow the armistice that he wants. However, the armistice can not be nullified without the submission of specific documents to the UN.

He can always break the armistice by taking military action, but he can't nullify it just by yapping his big mouth.

It should be noted that South Korea has a new president (a few weeks ago). This is probably just KJU demonstrating that he is standing up to the new South Korean president just like his father and grand father did.

Here is an almost interesting piece of trivia - South Korea never signed an armistice with North Korea.

If you want to read the text of the armistice : http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Korean...tice_Agreement

The armistice was actually an agreement between

Delegation of the Korean People's Army
and the Chinese People's Volunteers

and

United Nations Command Delegation

While the ROK was part of the UNC , South Korean officials played little role in the negotiations (President Rhee was actually against the armistice).

Krauter 03-30-13 12:30 PM

I was aware that they are still technically at war because of the cease-fire. I'm just wondering if this is indicative of something big about to happen? I know that Kim is Western educated, but could it be that the generals that actually hold the power are pushing for this?

I know I read an article the other day about the Russian Foreign Minister warning of a cycle starting because of American B-2 and B-52 flights of S. Korea. Has China released a statement about this yet too?

Skybird 03-30-13 01:36 PM

They say it all depends on what hat or cap they wear when they say something. If it is the officer's hat, than you have to take them for real, whereas when they wear their ceremonial cap, they only want to play.

:doh:

I think they all are candidates for group therapy.

Ducimus 03-30-13 01:45 PM

My bottom line is having heard the rattling sabers so much, and having been on that stinking spit of land twice, I won't believe it until i see it. Frankly, i wish the DPRK would crap, or get off the pot already so we can be done with them - one way or another. I have no fondness for that stinking country and would love it if we could pull our damn troops out of "The land of the not quite right".

Krauter 03-30-13 02:23 PM

I agree with your sentiment of crap or get off the pot. I think that if the US could free up the amount of men and material it has holed up in S. Korea it would cause less of a drain on the military's spending.

Granted if N. Korea becomes unified with the South it's going to take a lot of work to get it Westernized and the troops stationed in South Korea will probably be pushed up North to be closer to China...

Platapus 03-30-13 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krauter (Post 2033884)
I know that Kim is Western educated, but could it be that the generals that actually hold the power are pushing for this?

I would think that the Generals would be the last ones pushing for war. No General wants to fight a war they can't possibly win or even survive.

My money is still on testing out the new SK president.

Jimbuna 03-30-13 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossMark (Post 2033824)
Yes there must a couple knocking about somewhere.

Yes, probably two at most :)

Jimbuna 03-30-13 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2033977)
I would think that the Generals would be the last ones pushing for war. No General wants to fight a war they can't possibly win or even survive.

My money is still on testing out the new SK president.

Most likely but surely NK are running out of threatening statements....they are fast becoming an even bigger laughing stock.

Oberon 03-30-13 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2033978)
Yes, probably two at most :)

That's the ones that are down the back of the sofa, isn't it?

Krauter 03-30-13 06:05 PM

So what happens when the international community stop listening to NKs threats? Will NK be in a position to push for war or will this simply go on for the foreseeable future?

vienna 03-30-13 06:19 PM

I firmly believe the threats are nothing more than Kim trying to portray himself as a "tough" leader and the threats and such are more for NK citizen's consumption than as any credible threat against SK or the US. He knows very well SK/US joint exercises are held on a nearly annual basis and he has taken advantage of this to "sell" the NK populace on his agenda(s). He also pretty much knows when the exercise will end, so don't be surprised if, when the exercise is over and the added troops and units leave, there is a declaration in the NK media that Kim and his "stance" have "chased away the runnig dog US imperailists, who fled at the sight of the determination of the NK people"...

<O>

Jimbuna 03-30-13 06:50 PM

Or possibly even the dole queue.

mapuc 03-30-13 07:25 PM

Another thing that's quite funny, don't know if one could call it funny.

If you watch the news on different news program in different countries you get different view on the situation.

In Sweden it's like
OH my god, now we are near a war. OH my run for you life

In Denmark it's like
Now this little fat boy is at it again, wouldn't someone please take this person over his knee and give him a good old spank

Yesterday on BBC World

We should take his threat very serious

Markus

Karle94 03-30-13 08:15 PM

In Norway itīs like: Why must America get involved in something they have no business dealing with? Canīt they retreat back and deal with only their own problems and none of the otherīs problems? A few say remove the leader. Give some hard beating.

Oberon 03-30-13 08:48 PM

In Britain it's Kim Jong-Who?

Karle94 03-30-13 08:54 PM

Sure it ainīt Doctor Who?

Oberon 03-30-13 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karle94 (Post 2034031)
Sure it ainīt Doctor Who?

I don't think the BBC has gotten that desperate to cast Kim Jong-Un as the next Doctor...the North Korean version of Doctor Who (Doctor Hu?) probably would though. :yep:

Karle94 03-30-13 09:10 PM

Not my exact meaning. The new episode just aired. So everyone must be asking Doctor Who?

Oberon 03-31-13 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karle94 (Post 2034033)
Not my exact meaning. The new episode just aired. So everyone must be asking Doctor Who?

They might be, but I haven't watched it yet, will be iplayering it later. :03:


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