I would apply that to all any any religion. Bringing them down to the abilty and rsponsability of the local or national soccer club.

REMOVE their privileges.
SEPARATE all churches from state-run instututions. The law is thelaw, and counts for muslims and jews, christians of all kinds, and all other religious people too.
the LAW is above them all, THE LAW being blind to religion. THE LAW ruling over people of all kinds, respecting humaity of any source and protecting the weak from abuse.
That is my wish.

Nor INCREASE other group's Privileges.
You could say:
Put Humanity and law over Religious concerns and religious law.

I think some 75 years back, there was a Political party round my neck of the woods that severely and clearly abused their position to kick anything aside that stood in their path.
Globally speaking, these Thugs BOUGHT the Church back then. and the Church played the game for a while.

Speaking for myself, i do not care for politics much. It confuses me more than it helps me in my daily life.

still:
Put Humanity and law over Religious concerns and religious law.

I think with "a spoonfull of Humanity above all" one can not do much wrong.
Correctly Voted laws should be the State's tools for ruling the masses.
In that Context, Religion is up to the individual, and should have no means of influencing the state's decisions.
But should also abide by the state's rules, suffer detective work and punishment where found guilty.

I understand the worries.
But today's Goal is not to start a war - neither in belgium france nor germany. not like back then, everything had to give way to what was written in Mein Kampf.
We realy have other problems to deal with at the moment.

I believe in death.
Nothing else (before OR after) seems to be as safe on my path as death.
and since death is such a vague thing to experience, you could say i am a non believer altogether.:D


Amway?
http://www.amway.com/
These guys?
what would they do knocking on people's doors?
they sell all kinds of stuff. from proteines to T-shirts to "a way to experience excellence"

I usually get one or two a year, either Jehovah's Witnesses or Southern Baptists. I'm Lutheran, but I just say that I'm Catholic and they run for their car as fast as they can. No big deal.

I'm in Ohio.
And YES! They will bang your door several times a month if you don't go radical on them!

I once answered the door naked, knowing it was them!
They came back the next day.
My crazy (WAY crazier then me) cousin was here then.
He started telling them about Satan and how he worshipped him.
They left and came back the next day!
The sign was up by then and have passed by every since.
:har:

Not being in the U.S. I'd hope you are safe.
:D

Not knowing who I may offend here?
I'll let it go for now.
:03:

I haven't pulled any satanist stunts on them yet.
But i once broke out a bunch of math, geography and Universe books on them, trying to make them admit God did not exist and that The big bang was the source of EVERYTHING EVER.
:rotfl2:
didn't work too well.

I appreciate them for a laugh once in a while.

Invite them in and then start talking to yourself as if there's two of you!
That will make both your day and thiers!
:haha:

My sister was one of them for awhile. I got an inside track to flip them out!
:har:

had a family member that became a whitness.
Over years i observed from the outside, and how she changed... everything. Husband, kid, work, house, relocation finances and health decline.
She claimed to be happy, because she was guided, and embedded in that jehovah community.

welll.... okay. if she is happy, that's all we can ever ask for in this life.

But not a path to take in my opinion, and it confirmed me in my thought that religion, in organized form is basically brainwashing.

I agree with you 100%.
:salute:

Brother you sound like a training aid for identifying someone possessed by the devil. You might actually be drawing them in with that kind of behavior like moths to a candle. Bet you get prayed over a lot. :yep:

:haha::har:
+111:yeah:

:haha:
I have "WARPED" tattooed down my wrist next to the Pumpkin King.

And I jumped outta aircraft for a living once.
How much crazier can I get?
:D

Ha, the witnesses...
They (finally) rang at my door last summer. Two women, a very young one and an older one, both armed with the holy book of "truth" and "light" and "guidance" and what not...

I never met those folks before, so I thought its a good idea to get some info and build up my own opinion. My little adventure ended after 45 minutes in my doorway, when the ladies "really had to go" after some interesting discussions.

What really got me was the thing that one MUST believe in god (and worship him of course) so he is good to go into paradise after the last breath was done. I asked them:
"Ladies, let us assume that I was a very good person all my life. Good in helping people in need, never breaking the law etc. etc... but still... the "allmighty" wont allow me to enter paradise because I did not worship him on my knees? Even worse, I have to suffer instead? Doesnt God demand from us that we love and care about each other? Why would he punish me then?

Let me ask you honestly:
Does god have any personal problems, like feeling insecure? (they stopped their fake smiling at this point all the sudden)
How can someone, like God, punish me and let me suffer - just because I did not worship him? Does he really need that so badly? That does not make sense to me at all, please explain..." :hmmm:

"We are sorry, we will be back another time..." :hmph:

Made my WEEK, not just my day! :cool:

Submitting them to the valdity of the law of the state and country.

They do refuse to treat people in catholic hospitals (which are only 10% Catholic by financial support through the church, but 100% Catholic by claim and administration)? Cancel their payment treaties with health insurers, and expropriate the church of the 90% budget for constructing and having maintained the hospital.

Prohibition of church law canon.

Cancellation of diplomatic status of the Vatican and church representatives.

Prohibition of the mandatory church tax collected by the state for the church. Let them live by voluntary donations exclusively.

Unbundling of social care and wellfare functions in germany and church influence and interference in these. Social services run by private initiative or the state, not by religious organisations. Here, the church again pays very little contributions only, but enjoys privileges and rights as if it would own the total and complete service organisation.

Law enforcement against money launderers, crminal economists and pedophile rapists wearing robes without accept immunity of theirs any longer becasue they are claimed to fall under church law canon. As said above, the church law canon shall have no validity in germany, or only in so far as it does not rival or collide with the laws of state and country. National law overrules church law. Better ban the whole thing together, like other religions underground parallel justice systems as well. One law for all. Before the law, everybody being equal. No exceptions, no privileges. Law based on secular traditions of the state, not on religious traditions by religious lineages.