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AVGWarhawk 09-10-08 03:49 PM

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Yeah, I was one of those "stupid" enough to vote for Bush four years ago. :smug: And I'll be voting McCain in two months. So, if McCain becomes President, you may as well get your compaints ready now. It's opinions like this that push me even further from Obama (as if his being a left-leaning, Oprah-endorsed, neophyte were not enough! lol). So what if the Amercians elect a Republican, you think we really lose sleep over world opinion? Well, maybe some do (and that's not my problem), but not all of us.

Exactly this attitude is the reason why the world does not need another four years of this kind of political motivation.

Says you, but you don't pay taxes, vote, or live here so your attitude doesn't matter. At all.

That is pretty much the bottom line on what the world thinks about it. We, the people, who are forking out, is all that matters in the end.

Today, I liked watching Obama squirm. He is getting frustrated and tired. His eloquent speaking is not turning to studdering. Seems Palin has really stirred the pot on this one. Fun fun fun until my campaign managers take my campaign away.......Oprah...I love you!

dean_acheson 09-10-08 06:29 PM

What a cute essay!

It's like somebody walking into your house, and telling you they don't like the way you clean house.

Well, Mr. Freedland, thanks, but no thanks. I'm pretty sure if we thought you were better informed about how we on this side wanted our side of the pond run, we wouldn't have fought that war in 1776.

Now, once the big O loses this election, he will be free to hold all the Nuremburg rallies that he would like, I'll even spring for a ticket for Skybird. Maybe the big O and Carter can explain to the Germans how the Jewish lobby skews our foreign policies.

Now THAT would be rich!

:D




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Originally Posted by Skybird
Perfect essay, right on the mark of what I was thinking (but did not dare to speak out loud for fears of again being called an anti-american, which I am not: I see myself as a critical friend):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ackobama/print

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Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. (...)
Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline". Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is "not about the issues."
I couldn't believe that America was stupid enough to vote for Bush a second time, four years ago, even if by a lead not more than a hair's width. If one is voting for that political camp a third time in a row, it will be a wakeup-call for even the most wellmeaning tolerant America-friends that clocks in America are ticking different indeed. It was said, and I believed that myself, that both Obama and McCain would be able to heal a bit the alienated relations between the US, and europe and the rest of the world, and that with Obama it just would be more difficult foreurpope to say No to US demand becasue anti-Bushism obviously would not work anymore as an easy way of arguing. But since some time I started to change my mind on that. A president McCain I can no longer imagine to be in a position to achieve that. The simple fact that it was him, a conservative and republican now having even chosen a "pitbull with lipstick" as running mate, being elected would stand in his way on the international poltical stage. Here in Germany he is already seen as the continuation of the Bush catstrophe.

Not another four years of that, please.


Sailor Steve 09-10-08 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus
I am almost at the point of believing that anyone who wants the job of President of the United States is, by definition, unsuitable for the position. :nope:

Almost? I think the only one who didn't want the job was Washington himself.

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All we need is a good decent person to preside, for the good of the citizens, over the executive branch of the government.

Is that too much to ask?

Evidently, these days, it is an unreasonable expectation. :down:
Twenty years ago I said if you want to fix the economy, draft Lee Iaccoca. Today we need someone who will remove the restrictions in the right places, increase restrictions in the right places, enforce freedom and help people in need, fight against terrorism while recreating isolationism, patrol our borders while being a good neighbor, decrease spending and taxation, but provide for health, education and welfare, and all while inspiring everybody to be more productive for less return.

Any ideas?

Platapus 09-10-08 08:04 PM

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Twenty years ago I said if you want to fix the economy, draft Lee Iaccoca.

Iaccoca could not even run Chrysler without a billion dollar handout from the taxpayers.

After what happened to the American car market, I would not look toward him as a good example of leadership.

Sailor Steve 09-10-08 08:58 PM

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Twenty years ago I said if you want to fix the economy, draft Lee Iaccoca.

Iaccoca could not even run Chrysler without a billion dollar handout from the taxpayers.

After what happened to the American car market, I would not look toward him as a good example of leadership.

Chrysler was already in trouble when Iaccoca took over. He went to the Feds for help, yes, but the "handout" was nothing more than a guarantee, and no money actually changed hands. With the guarantee in place he got backing from other sources, and in five years turned Chrysler from bankruptcy into a profitable concern. What has happened since he retired is hardly his fault.
http://www.scripophily.net/chryscor.html

August 09-10-08 11:21 PM

And he makes a damn fine butter substitute.

TDK1044 09-11-08 05:49 AM

America has tried to be all things to all people for way too long. It's time to put America and Americans first.

The Europeans tend to be wonderfully two faced. They complain and moan about America and its foreign policy, and yet many of them owe America a debt that can never be repaid. The Europen Countries have little respect for each other and they all hate the French. Their only bond is the Euro.

I would love to see America become self sufficient in all our needs over the next 20 years and radically change our foreign policy so that we are much less involved in European affairs.

Then let's sit back and watch what happens as China grows in influence in the world and radical Islam comes knocking on the door of each European Country. I wonder who they'll come running to for help?

"I'll take hypocrites for 400, Alex"

AVGWarhawk 09-11-08 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044
America has tried to be all things to all people for way too long. It's time to put America and Americans first.

The Europeans tend to be wonderfully two faced. They complain and moan about America and its foreign policy, and yet many of them owe America a debt that can never be repaid. The Europen Countries have little respect for each other and they all hate the French. Their only bond is the Euro.

I would love to see America become self sufficient in all our needs over the next 20 years and radically change our foreign policy so that we are much less involved in European affairs.

Then let's sit back and watch what happens as China grows in influence in the world and radical Islam comes knocking on the door of each European Country. I wonder who they'll come running to for help?

"I'll take hypocrites for 400, Alex"

I will take Isolationists for 400, Alex! At this point I will take it for anything I can get. Somehow the US was appointed the world police. :hmm: Either by ourselves or other countries. It is getting expensive.

August 09-11-08 12:42 PM

In just over 100 years we've gone from isolationism to being the "worlds policeman". I understand the reasons why this happened but I think it's time we adopted a position somewhere in the middle of those two extremes.

I'm not against helping our foreign friends from time to time but we should first make damn sure that our own society is healthy. That our citizens have decent jobs, first rate health care and a retirement pension that is sufficient to live out their sunset years in comfort. That our children have a good education and that we live in a clean and crime free environment.

Now if that takes building a big wall around the country and giving our military orders to shoot anyone that tries to get in, cutting off all foreign monetary and military aid and letting the rest of the world fend for itself until that objective is achieved, then i'm all for it.

Platapus 09-11-08 12:53 PM

[QUOTE=August]In just over 100 years we've gone from isolationism to being the "worlds policeman". I understand the reasons why this happened but I think it's time we adopted a position somewhere in the middle of those two extremes./QUOTE]

I could not agree more. A policy of strict isolationism would not be appropriate in todays global environment. However there is nothing wrong with forming policy with a priority on domestic issues.

We should be financially helping other countries only when our own people are taken care of.

When Hurricane Katrina hit, I would have immediately stopped all international financial aid and used that money for domestic aid. Once our own people were taken care of and our own disaster areas repaired, then we can resume our international aid.

I don't think any country would blame the US for temporarily using its foreign aid money for a domestic emergency.

It is great and noble that we are trying to help other countries with their problems, but we should not do so at the determent of our own problems....and we have plenty that need fixin.

Skybird 09-11-08 03:11 PM

That's some reasonable thinking, becasue the new world order is no unipolar one, but a multipolar one, and even the Us does not have what it takes to dominate it anymore as some thinkers have suggested jst some few years ago. The balance between isolationism and influencing the world is a fragile one, though, because both extreme positions cannot hold out, and must be avoided. Isolationism simply would crush and destroy the american economy and financial market, and thus cannot be affored anymore - those times are gone, done and over.

I do not say that the chinese are morally right with all they do, but their practical methods of soft power are extremely clever and currently the most superior strategy implemented by any of the major players in the global game. Regarding powerpolitics, a lot can be learned from them. again, saying this in complete and intended ignorration of any moral implications and judgement.

dean_acheson 09-12-08 07:16 PM

While we are strolling OT, I'll throw in a chunk.

The United States has never been an isolationist country. Never ever ever. We were, before the late 1920s a very unilateralist country. The best writer on this subject is Walter McDougal. He put out a lovely little book called 'Promise Land: Crusader State' where had discusses this.

Back closer to topic, I'm glad Freedland wrote his little ed. Nothing could be more helpful to the McCain campaign.

We American are possibly the most contrary people in the universe.

dean_acheson 09-12-08 07:17 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/1...ge-1/#comments

Stay classy Team O!

:rock:

Digital_Trucker 09-12-08 07:53 PM

A day late, but they've already passed classy with this one by Biden:

http://pittrehab.blogspot.com/2008/0...tleman-in.html

Edit : He also is great at "giving back" to the community

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...l_N.htm?csp=34

Torps 09-13-08 01:40 AM

A Independent voters view.
 
I am here to just point a few facts and a few opinions.

Opinions

1.McCain as a former POW knows war and who else would be better suited to be president at times like this?

2. Obama should have gone with Hillary.

3. Talk is cheap, research the candidates records for yourselves, I have.

4. If Biden drops and says he can't run and Hillary is asked to run it will destroy the dems chances for Obama to get elected.

5. I dont care about pigs and lipstick but man that was a dumb comment.

6. McCain needs to get tough on border security.

7. Obama and McCain both need to take hints from eachothers economic plans.

8. McCain has voted more Republican since 2000 so he can become the nominee for his party and he appears to be planning on what he was in 2000, to clean up Washington.

Facts

1. Obama is a 1st term senator who only got elected because his opponents both Republican and Democrat were involved in a sex scandal. He was expected to finish last until the scandals hit.

2. A Community organizer is a respectable position, but not a executive position.

3. A governer is a executive position and Gov. Palin has a 14 billion dollar budget to deal with as Alaska's govenor.

4. McCain is old but so is the pope.

5. We need better relations with europe, the only reason Bush was reelected for a 2nd term was because europe was to vocal for Kerry and it pi**** to many people off here in the states and made people lean towards Bush.

6. Obama does not run his campaign, thats why he has someone with a title referred to as a "Campaign Manager".

7. Finally no more BUSH!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!

8. Atleast Bush has kept us safe since Sept 11, 2001.

9. Gov Palin has actually made a lot of enemies by cleaning up the state gov't, hence the investigation going on (all political).

10. 82% approval rating for Gov Palin. Yah amazing

11. McCain was not chosen as the Republican candidate in 2000 because he took on his own party.

12. Obama never took on his own party.

13. Obama is one of the most liberal.

14. Obama is a good speaker.

My final though.
I like one candidate, however I do not buy Obama is a radical Muslim, I do not buy McCain is another George Bush! At looking at the big picture I just think Obama is to inexperienced and McCain is not the best economic choice nor is Obama really. If McCain had Obama's speaking skills he would have the lead, if Obama had McCain's experience he would have the lead. Overall I cant wait till Nov 5 and lets get this over with.

Honestly at this point unless Obama can show he's a good leader and not just a good talker, he wont get elected. McCain has proved hes not Bush. Whoever becomes president, we better drill and we better start using alternative fuels cause im sick of sending money to the middle east, did I mention OPEC decided to cut production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Platapus 09-13-08 08:13 AM

I would say that your list is a combination of facts and opinions.

Just for S&G, would you like to explain

"McCain as a former POW knows war and who else would be better suited to be president at times like this? "

How does one indicate the other?

"Obama should have gone with Hillary."

This is hardly a fact but your opinion.

You list of opinions is too long to quote individually. But I would recommend separating fact from opinions as they are not the same.

geetrue 09-13-08 10:21 AM

A serious warning from a resident of Alaska about Palin:


http://jeffreyhill.typepad.com/.a/6a...cfa78834-800wi

Torps 09-13-08 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue
A serious warning from a resident of Alaska about Palin:


http://jeffreyhill.typepad.com/.a/6a...cfa78834-800wi

lol thats a good one.

dean_acheson 09-14-08 09:49 AM

http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/

inclusion of the Gibson interview edits.

Is there an icon for being in the tank?

TDK1044 09-14-08 12:05 PM

I think in the minds of many Americans, Sarah Palin is as qualified to be VP as Barack Obama is to be President. That's what makes this such an interesting race. This one is going to be really close and both sides know it. :D


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