Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't see any reason why GWX cannot mod SH4 to their heart's content. They are talented and dedicated craftsmen (and women, sorry Pen :)) A GWX SH4 version will not negate any of the existing excellent SH4 mods, it just gives a SUBSIM member another cool option to enhance his playing experience. If one mod proves more popular than another, it does not diminish the less popular mod one bit.

The concept that one modder or mod team "owns" a particular game is nuts. I respect all modders who create interesting stuff. Let's work together and cooperate, and we all gain.

Neal
Subsim

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

I must return to my refrain. GW does business in a quality way. They do not recreate the wheel. I predict that we will be surprised by what they release, especially if we're looking for a port of SH3/GWX2. GW is better than that. For some reason this observation is divisive.

The second part of my refrain: GW is committed to releasing a finished product. We won't hear much about what they're up to before it is almost ready for release. It would be limiting their ability to research and produce new stuff for them to announce ahead of time what they will discover. In the process of building, easy stuff will manifest difficult side effects and become impossible. Things not dreamed of will be discovered that change the entire flavor of the project. Raising false hopes by premature chest beating destroys trust. GW will not do that. They are too committed to exceeding the expectations of their users.

Conclusions drawn from my second part include "divisive and abusive" things I have said in this thread. In order not to prematurely spill the beans and build false hopes based on the current state of their project, they will not be sharing goodies with outside modders at that time. The reasoning will be that it will start a discussion of "What is GW going to do" among the more open society of modders that are presently in SH4. This would create expectation of certain things players will expect from their release, raising the false hopes that would damage GW's reputation.

If they ask for outside help it will be in a black box manner so no false rumors can result. If you are an SH4 modder and are approached like that, I would suggest you give serious thought toward helping them. We have two choices in life: either we owe others or they owe us. Better that they owe us. Don't be the bad guy.

So Bewolf, I can't speak for GW. I know some of the people involved. I have been to the GW inner sanctum and had a long and fruitful conversation with Kapt Lehmann. I saw no monsters there, just a lot of hard work being done, even while we had our mostly recreational conversation, there were constant interruptions from team members consulting about one thing or another. No monsters. A consistent workmanlike, well organized factory feel built around the personality of Kapt Lehmann. He said himself above that tinkering with the underlying organizational zietgeist would destroy GW. I concur. They have much to lose by adopting the methods of SH4 modders.

I'm not going into the incompatibility stuff that people thought was so hateful before, but I will repeat my best analogy: diesel fuel and fertilizer. They're both very beneficial, but when they are mixed you get a boom! Better to let the fertilizer grow food and the diesel fuel power the trucks to take that food to the market.

So my position that mixing the SH4 modders and GW group into one big happy family being impossible is not some hateful comment as some have characterized it. There is a good reason GW is the way it is and there is a good reason the SH4 modding community is the way it is. Let them work separately and cooperate when they can. And be prepared for wonderful things.

I think I've said all this before!

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't see any reason why GWX cannot mod SH4 to their heart's content. They are talented and dedicated craftsmen (and women, sorry Pen :)) A GWX SH4 version will not negate any of the existing excellent SH4 mods, it just gives a SUBSIM member another cool option to enhance his playing experience. If one mod proves more popular than another, it does not diminish the less popular mod one bit.

The concept that one modder or mod team "owns" a particular game is nuts. I respect all modders who create interesting stuff. Let's work together and cooperate, and we all gain.

Neal
Subsim

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't see any reason why GWX cannot mod SH4 to their heart's content. They are talented and dedicated craftsmen (and women, sorry Pen :)) A GWX SH4 version will not negate any of the existing excellent SH4 mods, it just gives a SUBSIM member another cool option to enhance his playing experience. If one mod proves more popular than another, it does not diminish the less popular mod one bit.

The concept that one modder or mod team "owns" a particular game is nuts. I respect all modders who create interesting stuff. Let's work together and cooperate, and we all gain.

Neal
Subsim

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Could we get that sticky as a single post somewhere, please?

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I have been to the GW inner sanctum and had a long and fruitful conversation with Kapt Lehmann. I saw no monsters there, just a lot of hard work being done, even while we had our mostly recreational conversation, there were constant interruptions from team members consulting about one thing or another. No monsters. A consistent workmanlike, well organized factory feel built around the personality of Kapt Lehmann.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Originally Posted by jazman

Any quality mods are welcome, as far as I am concerned. Why do people react so strongly to the GW team? Anywhere they show up in the SH4 side, flames start licking my monitor.

Originally Posted by Bewolf

*cough*

you may want to work on your quotation :cool:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Because GWX de-magnetized their fridge magnets. :yep: (oh and they are the spawns of the devil and eat little children too. ;))

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Quite the card Dowly...I see stand up comedy in your future.:D Did you finish that skin for the 109? Jazman, this thread is an attempt to stop the flaming between both. It has been witnessed in the past of a gauntlet being dropped in a thread and off on the galant steed goes the dropper leaving a dusty trail. The challenge is taken and off the blazing flames of glory we go. We are looking to extinguish the flames, move on and be productive to a point were we can stand it anymore.