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sandbag69 08-28-06 05:13 AM

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And what do you mean future mods ( if any ) ?

Arguing with "experts in EU and US law" or "experts in ships built from scratch" or "true SH3 lovers" does not add any stimulus to release mods for their usage, does it. I can be pretty happy with having my mods only on my computer.

No, just kidding. :lol: I do not care much what those "experts" and "lovers" think. :lol: It is just I was spending too much time doing modding. I need to cut it down a bit.

Phew
You have so many great ships near finished it would have been a shame not to release them
Maybe just finish one at a time before starting next :rotfl:


yeah....so we keep hearing but none become available.

That was not meant for your ears or use because that's "illegal". :rotfl:

Who said anything about "illegal"....not me.

sandbag69 08-28-06 05:27 AM

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/673/spee1pe0.jpg

Now that is QUALITY! :up: I'd pay top dollar for that baby.

Cdre Gibs 08-28-06 06:09 AM

But according to you, if the ship had no impact on the Ubaot war, its of no value to be included into SH3. So by your very own standards that ship is therefore crap and a waste of space and should never have been made and you wont be using it. Isnt that correct!

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Name one stock ship that was not used against U-Boats!

Its Russian Destroyers that are needed from the Ruskies not a KGV battleship and a hipper clone which had no impact what so ever onthe u-baot war.

Same can be said of the above. As to what stock ships had no impact in the Uboat war, ohhh just about every capital ship (baring Escort Carrier's) in SH3, but you must already know that hey.......NO?

joea 08-28-06 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs
But according to you, if the ship had no impact on the Ubaot war, its of no value to be included into SH3. So by your very own standards that ship is therefore crap and a waste of space and should never have been made and you wont be using it. Isnt that correct!

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Originally Posted by sandbag69
Name one stock ship that was not used against U-Boats!

Its Russian Destroyers that are needed from the Ruskies not a KGV battleship and a hipper clone which had no impact what so ever onthe u-baot war.

Same can be said of the above. As to what stock ships had no impact in the Uboat war, ohhh just about every capital ship (baring Escort Carrier's) in SH3, but you must already know that hey.......NO?

:up:

Actually the capital ships make good targets (Allied) and German ships like the fantastic model above are nice to see coming in and out of ports, or meeting at sea even if the latter is not historic. Thanks to the modder who made that Graf Spee (my first KM plastic model).

Warhunter 08-28-06 07:42 AM

X1 behavior should not be tolerated.

We need some contructive proposals.

Cdre Gibs 08-28-06 08:33 AM

Dont get me wrong guys, I'm all for more ships, of any kind. Its sandbag69 thats living up to his name, sand between the ears.

sandbag69 08-28-06 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs

Same can be said of the above. As to what stock ships had no impact in the Uboat war, ohhh just about every capital ship (baring Escort Carrier's) in SH3, but you must already know that hey.......NO?

Bismark's breakout.....Donitz positioned U-boats to help it try to escape the british Battleships. Therefore these ships had an effect on the u-boats.

British aircraft carriers were sunk in the Med by U-boats....Therefore these had effect on u-boats.

Nelson and Rodney were both torpedoed bu u-boats ....but the torps didnt do enough damage to sink them. Therefore they had an effect on u-boats.

Royal Oak....Revenge Class Battleship....sunk at Anchor in Scapa Flow. need I go on.

get your facts right before you make personal insults.

sandbag69 08-28-06 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs
Dont get me wrong guys, I'm all for more ships, of any kind. Its sandbag69 thats living up to his name, sand between the ears.

Oh,,, the KGV battleships were used extensively in the Artic Convoy routes as covering forces incase the Tirpitz or Hipper attempted to attack. Therefore they had an effect on the u-boat war. Lots of u-boats in the Arctic....or maybe you didnt know that.

You Silly Boy:down:

Gizzmoe 08-28-06 10:17 AM

Everybody calm down, please! And no insults or personal attacks!

bigboywooly 08-28-06 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sandbag69
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Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs

Same can be said of the above. As to what stock ships had no impact in the Uboat war, ohhh just about every capital ship (baring Escort Carrier's) in SH3, but you must already know that hey.......NO?

Bismark's breakout.....Donitz positioned U-boats to help it try to escape the british Battleships. Therefore these ships had an effect on the u-boats.

British aircraft carriers were sunk in the Med by U-boats....Therefore these had effect on u-boats.

Nelson and Rodney were both torpedoed bu u-boats ....but the torps didnt do enough damage to sink them. Therefore they had an effect on u-boats.

Royal Oak....Revenge Class Battleship....sunk at Anchor in Scapa Flow. need I go on.

get your facts right before you make personal insults.

And what of the Spee ???

Wulfmann 08-28-06 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs
But according to you, if the ship had no impact on the Ubaot war, its of no value to be included into SH3. So by your very own standards that ship is therefore crap and a waste of space and should never have been made and you wont be using it. Isnt that correct!

Not crap but that is accurate for game play. It would be nice to see more of what we flood our tubes for.

However, please, please, please where is the link to that beautiful Panzerschiffe???
Who cares about all the above that is so cool I would just want to put it in port and stare at it as I leave each time and say nice things about the artist that generously allowed us to gaze upon it!!!.:rock:

Wulfmann

bigboywooly 08-28-06 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs
But according to you, if the ship had no impact on the Ubaot war, its of no value to be included into SH3. So by your very own standards that ship is therefore crap and a waste of space and should never have been made and you wont be using it. Isnt that correct!

Not crap but that is accurate for game play. It would be nice to see more of what we flood our tubes for.

However, please, please, please where is the link to that beautiful Panzerschiffe???
Who cares about all the above that is so cool I would just want to put it in port and stare at it as I leave each time and say nice things about the artist that generously allowed us to gaze upon it!!!.:rock:

Wulfmann

You already have the Deutschland ( same class ) from battle of the med :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

One of the great ships in the release :rotfl: :rotfl:

Stary Wuj 08-28-06 12:03 PM

By the way, CREDITS from Seawolves add-on "Readme" file :

Credits
Soundmod by Incognito Soundworks
Hi-res subs by Sean Gilleran
U-boat Interior by Ship Hunter
DD Fix by Jungman
Radiolog by Irishred
Resupply by SANSAL


Best Regards
Stary Wuj


Cdre Gibs 08-28-06 12:56 PM

Your statement was - "Impact on the Uboat war" not targets. Impact would mean - killed by, to the detriment of, had bearing on uboat tatics (deployment to cover a friendly unit is not "ïmpact on the Uboat war"). I dont recall a KGV Class sinking any Uboats, nor Dido's, nor Fiji's or Revenge. In fact I cant recall any sub's being sunk by a capital ship, sure as hell not in any number to have an impact. So impact on the Uboat war - none. Targets on the other hand, plenty.

Pants 08-28-06 01:00 PM

Even rats dessert a sinking ship...let this addon sink...i DONT TRUST X-1 i trust sergbuto...i trust what he says over what X-1 offers 100% of the time.
Oh and BTW wulfmann
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And, since SW Med has the 23rd Flotilla out of Salamis and 30th out of Constanza now and Greywolves is copying that how is that any different?

WE ( TGW DEV's ) had these already completed BEFORE SW:bitm hit the selves..we had this on the back burner since 1.0..so YOU GET YOUR facts straight. and quoting the Kpt himself
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Wulfmann has been associated with the X-1 payware mod interests for quite some time and posts this sort of dribble at Subsim.com all the time. Pure and simple X-1 fanboyism. I personally view the X-1 group as freeware mod thieves. His post that I have quoted is just more of the same. He will quite possibly spew more gibberish here and at Subsim following this post. If and when he does, it will only be more rivet-counting and picking at something he did not build himself.

Regarding X-1's sad little venture... It modifies only the Mediterranean elements of the simulator. We began work on our current project soon after the release of GW 1.0

LOL, you can all be assured that we are copying no-one. We have a strong enough team to determine our own destiny. The fact that we have also re-written our own Mediterranean Ops is purely coincidental... Furthermore, we have added two entirely new operational theaters and three new U-boat flotillas. You WILL have access to these things in GWX without losing ONE BIT of access to current flotillas and/or operations. The Black Sea and Indian Ocean operations will be complete in a matter of days.

The flotilla scripting itself IS COMPLETE and functional already. It is my understanding that the X-1 project sacrifices availability of flotillas that patrol the Atlantic in order to re-name and re-script them for the Mediterranean.

To all others, I am sorry for my relative silence. I am quite literally swamped with PM's and public messages that will all be addressed in time. I hope you understand that I must dedicate the vast majority of my time working with the GWX dev team and project.

A final couple of notes... Over the last few months we have listened closely to the entire community regarding problems with GW. Try to remember that while not every single suggestion can be implemented into GWX... we do read and often emply them.

Secondly, "Freeware mod" does not mean "built by idiots." The GWX freeware mod dev team has some of the best coders, 3D modelers, and artists available in the Subsim.com modding community.

Regarding the release date everyone keeps asking about... We will be done when we are done... (no offense to anyone is meant)

We have a set number of targets we are going to hit before release. It will be worth the wait.
We are not going to rush it out of the door for any player. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies...miley-wink.gif

Feel free to consider our project about 80% complete though. (...and the things we have chosen to talk about are only the barest tip of the iceberg... much remains ultra-secret!)

Cheers for now.

Kpt. Lehmann
GWX Project Manager

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Actually, as the guy who has primarily built the new flotilla files for GWX, I can assure you that I have not in any way, shape or form, looked at any file from either of the Seawolves products, nor do I intend to.

However, I was waiting for some naive "copying" accusation, and I knew it would come from you.

You of all people should know that, quite simply, there are certain obvious flotilla exclusions from SH3. The 23rd and 30th Flotillas are two of them. Likewise Gruppe Monsun (represented in GWX as 10 Flotilla, which was one of the three flotillas that committed boats to SE Asia) and 13 Flotilla at Trondheim. I have facilitated the addition of these obvious flotillas without compromising any current flotilla (with the exception of 10 Flotilla from Aug '43).

Now there are other obvious flotilla exclusions such as 3 Flotilla, however, adding others would mean compromising the stock SH3 flotillas, which was not an option.

GWX players will have access to 1, 2, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 23, 29, 30 and 33 Flotillas. Do SW:Med players?

So your "copying" accusations are truly humourous and simply show your desperation to deflect the real copying accusations which are being levelled at SW:Med over at Subsim as we speak (and curiously accusations which you have not attempted to defend).

You sir have been a have been an avid backer of X-1...now please let me ask you a simple question, Can you with your hand on your heart say you trust X-1 100% after thier past reputation and also what serg has stated? I am giving you an option to truthfully answer here as it's not a loaded question.


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