A bit of a CLASH at that!:D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16u0wwCfoJ4! (sorry I couldn't resist!l):shucks:

Just read that the chap that was shot had eleven kids!

And they talk about Muslims breeding to take over the world. :doh:

Terrible but not unexpected after all. Christ, eleven kids? These people live in the old world so it must be God's will then.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/aut...xtX?li=BBnb7Kz

I wonder how much government support he was getting?

Interesting development in this story. All the defendants were acquitted in Portland, Oregon today.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37795012

I guess it's open season on federal land and armed insurrection. :o

Great! Just in time for them to vote! :up:

http://cdn.historynet.com/wp-content...D4sD0AZNCG.jpg
Artists impression of polling stations on the 8th November.

Oregon is Oregon ... they won't even let you pump your own gas ... an attendant has to come out and do it.

Oregon does things their way :yep:

interesting, not sure but maybe jury nullification came into play in this case. Also too the fat lady hasnt started singing yet, I heard Nevada want a piece of them next.

While i tend to be Law & order kind of guy, I also grew up west of Colorado Springs where the Pike National forest was my back yard. Over the years I've watched the feds "administer" federal lands out here in the western U.S. and I pretty much have to agree with the Bundy's on this one, the State and local governments should be the ones to administer those lands. I find it hard to believe that politicians & bureaucrats residing in a city 2500 miles away really understand the land.

I think it is a case of jury nullification and i am against that.

why Is it Jury nullification? Isn't more likely the Gov. over charged, and then didn't meet the burden of proof required?

It would be nice if we had all the facts of the case. It does not sound like they were over charged and does seem to be ample evidence that they did what they did. It was on the new for many days.

I hope it was not a case of jury nullification. That can be a terrible thing that can further undermine the confidence in our justice system (which has been strained recently).

Really? Jury nullification has been around since the inception of the United States and is an integral part of our justice system. To Quote Chief Justice John Jay:

"It may not be amiss, here, Gentlemen, to remind you of the good old rule, that on questions of fact, it is the province of the jury, on questions of law, it is the province of the court to decide. But it must be observed that by the same law, which recognizes this reasonable distribution of jurisdiction, you have nevertheless a right to take upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy. On this, and on every other occasion, however, we have no doubt, you will pay that respect, which is due to the opinion of the court: For, as on the one hand, it is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the other hand, presumbable, that the court are the best judges of the law. But still both objects are lawfully, within your power of decision."