Freedom fries anyone?

(anyone remembers?:03:)

Either it happened again or someone is recycling material.

That's from earlier today.

If its true what a Danish news paper just have published, these terrorist wasn't some amateur.

The policemens "'Ramses shield' " they had with them saved some of the policemens life.

From the article

(google translate)

"A thin but impenetrable shield passed late Friday night its baptism of fire when French security forces from the elite BRI (Brigade de Recherche et d'Intervention) raided the venue Bataclan in Paris to bring the terrorists' serial murders of the trapped hostages to an end. When 18 members of BRI advancing, pounding perpetrators them with automatic rifles of the Kalashnikov brand before they blew himself and several hostages in the air with suicide vests. The French TV station iTELE could Monday night show the 'Ramses shield' by the security forces shielded behind in their advance as a sinister testimony to the ferocity of the shootings at the Bataclan. "

Can not take copy of picture, due to-forgot the word.

Markus

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http://media.20minutes.fr/2015/bouclier.JPG

Thank you Dowly

I take back this sentence

"these terrorist wasn't some amateur"
if you look at the spread of the holes, it seems that the terrorists have shot at police with their eyes closed.

Markus

Those are 7.62x39mm strikes judging from pictures US body armor of similar make up struck by the same.

If the body armor ceramic plates can take several AK rounds I bet that that shield can take a good deal more strikes.

I disagree there is some very good grouping at the center mass point. Consider also that even trained shooters average around 33% accuracy in combat while the typical sniper is around 75% of rounds fired hitting. They knew what they where doing. If they where firing in automatic burts those are very good groupings thats every burst hitting. Look like automatic fire strikes judging by the climb to one side.

AKs aren't exactly known for their accuracy... :hmmm:

You can't kill what you can't see.
And how are these convoys well armed?
We are talking about unarmored pickups, loaded with militias that have some 12.7mm machine guns, RPGs and maybe some MANPADS at best.

Nothing any western plane needs to worry about.

As I said. If the US (or any western nation actually) really wanted to crush IS, it would have happened already.

Who told you that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J13BFhQiUwo
Or a possible misinterpreted sarcastic statement by you?

In my opinion a firearm is as effective as the person firing it if they are really skilled they'll be pretty darn effective with any weapon they pick up and very effective with firearm they are highly familiar with.
Kind of a different can of worms when your primary goal was what these ISIS scum did not exactly a target that can defend itself. Still I suspect that they where likely fairly familiar with the weapons that they used.

Exactly, this is simply a matter of mustering the will to assemble a multi-national coalition and doing it, while at the same time, cleaning out the enclaves of radicals inside the country. Until then, the people of the Western countries will have to run like deer evry time they hear a pop or bang. There will be more of these attacks, they are just getting started. You can bet ISIS planners have sent thousands of men in as refugees.

I am not so sure that would happen, or if they did then some other organization would take it's place. So it will perpetuate itself. ISIS was born mainly out of what happened in IRAQ. At least it started there and eventually moved to Syria. Remember Bush claiming victory then, the war really had only started .....

Those who fund-support the terrorist groups need to be stopped, that is the key. And again no easy feat.

No misinterpretation, I was always under the impression that AKs sacrificed accuracy for reliability, seems I was wrong.
Also, I guess you have to factor in that the area in which they were firing was quite limited in space, so no matter what direction you sprayed in you were bound to hit someone.

Not exactly wrong. By accuracy they mean it's "maximum effective range" is about 100 meters less than the more accurate M16/M4 Up close the AK is accurate enough.