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Sailor Steve 02-21-13 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2013972)
I wasn't aware they used B-29's in the ETO.

The didn't. They stopped painting the B-17s first. Please try to keep up. :O:

Cybermat47 02-21-13 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2013987)

The Germans did know some things about the B-29 project and where concerned the Ta-152H was designed specifically to counter it.
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It would've saved them some money if they'd known that th B-29 was only going to be used against the Japanese.

Sailor Steve 02-21-13 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 2013992)
It would've saved them some money if they'd known that th B-29 was only going to be used against the Japanese.

And the MiG-25 was developed just to counter the B-70. It happens.

Jimbuna 02-21-13 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2013990)
The didn't. They stopped painting the B-17s first. Please try to keep up. :O:

LOL

Stealhead 02-21-13 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 2013992)
It would've saved them some money if they'd known that th B-29 was only going to be used against the Japanese.


The B-29 was used against the Japanese because it was the best tool available for the job.Do not forget that the B-29 was very complex for its time and had many issues when it first entered service these factors made the USAAF decide to deploy them to the the PTO and not Europe.Remember the strategy was Europe first and then Japan.

They knew that the B-29 had issues and might take time to become truly combat effective but that it had the range to reach mainland Japan from bases in China(missions from China had mediocre results and the B-29s got sent to the Mariana Islands where they where a little closer to Japan) .

The logic was in the PTO we can afford to wait 6 months for the B-29 to become effective on the other hand we need a bomber that is effective right now in Europe.Therefore keep the B-24 and B-17s in Europe and send the B-29 to the PTO where in time it will get the job done.At this point the atomic bomb was not a sure thing yet it was all theory until the test at Trinity in 1945.The war against Japan was expected to possibly last well into 1946.

The B-29 took longer to develop than originally planned had it have been ready in 1943 it would have flown over Germany most likely.

August 02-21-13 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2013990)
The didn't. They stopped painting the B-17s first. Please try to keep up. :O:

Well excuuuuuuuuse me!

Really though the only thing that aircraft are good for is getting the real warriors to the battlefield. In that they're sorta like the Navy. :D

Stealhead 02-21-13 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2014014)
Well excuuuuuuuuse me!

Really though the only thing that aircraft are good for is getting the real warriors to the battlefield. In that they're sorta like the Navy. :D


Typical overly cocky paratrooper.:O:

Karle94 02-21-13 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2013993)
And the MiG-25 was developed just to counter the B-70. It happens.

Which resulted in the F-15, the best fighter to ever grace the skies.

Red October1984 02-21-13 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2013973)
You have to find a way to engage your audience that is the trick to a presentation.

I know...i need to work on that better but my audience is 7 classmates and a teacher usually.

In a school with less than 200 kids, things can get predictable. People always predict that my presentations are about military stuff...and they are pretty good at predicting because I do those presentations whenever I get the chance...

August 02-21-13 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2014016)
Typical overly cocky paratrooper.:O:

:yep:

But truth be told they just don't come any cockier than fighter pilots. Good thing egos don't have physical weight or they'd never get their birds off the ground! :)

Red October1984 02-21-13 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2014054)
:yep:

But truth be told they just don't come any cockier than fighter pilots. Good thing egos don't have physical weight or they'd never get their birds off the ground! :)

It doesn't mean they won't try... :yep:

mako88sb 02-21-13 09:40 PM

Ever since I saw Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, I've been a huge fan of the B-25 in all it's forms.

http://www.aviation-history.com/nort...can/b25-13.gif

http://www.wingsmagazine.com/images/...wh-b-25web.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...5_Mitchell.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...99px-B-25H.jpg




I was pretty amazed a few years ago to find out about the Ryan FR-1 Fireball built just prior to the end of WW2. Pretty neat reading about how the test pilots would pull up beside a conventional aircraft, shut off the radial engine and then proceed to pull away from the astonished pilot of the other aircraft using the jet engine.:)

http://www.strange-mecha.com/aircraft/Mixed/fr1.JPG

fireftr18 02-21-13 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mako88sb (Post 2014101)
Ever since I saw Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, I've been a huge fan of the B-25 in all it's forms.


http://www.wingsmagazine.com/images/...wh-b-25web.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...99px-B-25H.jpg

What's up with the nose change, putting the guns in it? I've never seen this in the Mitchell.

Red October1984 02-21-13 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mako88sb (Post 2014101)
Ever since I saw Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, I've been a huge fan of the B-25 in all it's forms.

http://www.aviation-history.com/nort...can/b25-13.gif

http://www.wingsmagazine.com/images/...wh-b-25web.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...5_Mitchell.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...99px-B-25H.jpg




I was pretty amazed a few years ago to find out about the Ryan FR-1 Fireball built just prior to the end of WW2. Pretty neat reading about how the test pilots would pull up beside a conventional aircraft, shut off the radial engine and then proceed to pull away from the astonished pilot of the other aircraft using the jet engine.:)

http://www.strange-mecha.com/aircraft/Mixed/fr1.JPG

I've seen that gun configuration before...there was a British model that had a cannon or something like that IIRC...

And the Missouri Commemorative Air Force has a B-25, Avenger Torpedo Bomber and an L-3...and they are all coming to the local air show this year. Normally, you can pay 400$ and they will take you on a ride from their airfield near St. Louis. I think it's closer to St. Charles actually. I forget...but I'm excited for this June.

mako88sb 02-21-13 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fireftr18 (Post 2014103)
What's up with the nose change, putting the guns in it? I've never seen this in the Mitchell.

Just a couple versions developed to allow the B-25 to contribute to the ground attack role. The bottom one is a B-25H which includes a 75mm cannon but it was manually loaded and found to have too low a rate of fire so was sometimes removed and replaced with 2 more .50 cal. The "J" model could have up to 18 .50 cals. A couple great examples of how versatile the B-25 could be.

Edit: Found a photo of an "H" with the 75mm replaced:

http://scaleplasticandrail.com/kaboo...NARAGunMod.jpg


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