Didn't you get the memo, it isn't about different figures and different methods, its about trolling apparently.

Penguin that is an important distinction on the wider topic, all too often you hear Britain has banned guns or Britain has banned handguns which follows with crime statistics which may or not cover the area in question as different parts of Britain have different laws and different ways of counting crime, plus of course Britain hasn't banned guns or even banned handguns.

Funny, I don't remember you ever presenting facts and figures, just volumes of open mockery featuring run-on sentences, no punctuation or capitalization and lots and lots of emoticons. A lot like yubba, come to think of it.

Yep, that's trolling. If you don't like the label, there is only one person who can change it. You are in charge of you.

Retrieving facts from the Daily Mail is actually bloody hilarious :haha:

This really has made my day :up:

I pointed out the fact that if you look at the two first sources the figures from 2011 are not the figures from 2012.
That was followed by someone demanding to know why the figures from 2011 were wrong and supplying figures from 2009&2007 for a bonus.
The fact was again pointed out that the figures were from the wrong years.
That was followed by repeated demands to know what was wrong with the figures.
I can repeat endlessly the fact that the figures are from the wrong years but until Steve realises that the problem with the figures is that they are the wrong years to counter the initial claim then it goes in the same loop of him demanding an answer to a question that has already been answered many times.

It is rather like the gun topic where he was going on and on about a statement on ALL guns and demanding an answer even though no one apart from himself (and one person in his link) had made such a declaration.

Not so, if you read it then like most daily mail stories it does state that the story is not really the story and the "facts" are not really facts.
The details are there but people tend to miss them very easily.
Though that particular story was easy to understand for what it was due to remembering the massive stink the Conservative party "study" created at the time it was released.

Polemics are not a substitute for statistics. You said that you disagree with the statistics presented. You said it over and over again, to the point that when asked to counter with your own sets of statistics you continued to repeat yourself. That, a vaild argument does not make. So, as I have said over and over again, either link to statistics that are contrary or get out. Time to back it up.

I will say no more on the matter. Hopefully you'll understand what I really mean by that.

Pleaze Stop quoting

Ok! :O:

No, I said the statistics were two different sets so didn't match so they didn't prove any manipulation in that manner.
To prove the manipulation by the parties involved then both those sources need to be the same.(apart from the very obvious manipulation myself and Penguin pointed out)
So instead of asking me for statistics ask Fox and CNN to both use the same statistics.

Because you even now still fail to grasp that it was the use of different sets of statistics that was the issue.
Providing my own different of statistics just adds another problem to the issue it doesn't provide an answer.


Which just shows that you really are confused.
However it would be interesting to link to the statistics Morgan used, as there are no formal statistics finalised yet for last year.

The figures are from different years, it really is that simple.

So you continue to play the same game, and you still have nothing to offer but rhetoric and blather. You need to actually produce something of substance.

Sorry I didn't quote you, but we were just asked publicly to not do that anymore.

The substance is all there Steve.
Two parties used different sets of figures and one party claimed their figures proved the other wrong.
It didn't prove anything
The fact that you seem to think it is something else is your mistake.

Pretty similar to your mistake about removing one section of figures which you somehow read as "handguns".

You keep saying the same thing, but you still don't show any proof the numbers are wrong, which is all I asked for in the first place.

They are from different years.:doh:
They cannot be right if they are not from the same year.
You cannot say Morgan manipulated the murder figure from 2012 by providing a murder figure from 2011 which is exactly what they do on that link.

I am not an Alex Jones fan, but if you sifted through some of his lunacy, and annoyance factor, he kinda ran all over ol' Piers.

I made this point before (and got critisized for it) but foreigners can never understand our gun culture, they find it silly, just like we find your royal family silly, because it isn't a part of our respective cultures.

Alex Jones is a lunatic, yes, rarely makes sense, but one thing he said was "If they try to take away guns, then you will see another 1776"

I hate to agree with a tinfoil hat wearer, but hey, he has a point. Piers didn't accept it one bit though.

Alex even called him a Redcoat at one point, I spit chocolate milk onto my keyboard

You got chastised for it because it makes no sense.
You cannot make a blanket statement about billions of people not understanding a culture that the 300 millions can't even agree on.

Nor is it part of mine, yet I don't find it silly at all. How come?