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Originally Posted by August (Post 1980000)

Sure you can. Bunch of friends of mine did that just a couple months ago.

Then your friends must be in law enforcement, because the government says no otherwise.

http://www.ok.gov/cleet/documents/airplane%20faq.pdf

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Sure you can. Texas even lets concealed carry license holders to go around metal detectors.

No, that's not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

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Federal buildings

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- Premises owned by the U.S. Federal Government or its agencies for the purpose of any official business of the Federal Government are covered by Federal statutes that supersede State law. It is illegal in general under said statutes to possess a firearm while in any such location, and possession of a State-issued concealed firearms permit is no defense. Such places commonly encountered include post offices, Federal courts, and offices of the IRS, FBI, Justice Department, Department of Energy, USDA, FDA, etc. A rider tied to the 2009 Federal CARD Act has restricted the Department of the Interior from enacting or enforcing restrictions on carry of arms within lands controlled by the Bureau of Land Management; CHL permittees may carry concealed while in a federal park or wildlife preserve contained wholly or partially within the borders of the State of Texas. However, Army Corps of Engineers properties (including all reservoir lakes and included park areas) are still off-limits.

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True according to many state laws but that only affects those who don't have murder on their mind. A better way to say it is only potential victims cannot bring firearms into a school.

Machismo aside, this brings us to the next part.

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Not its not. Citizens are obligated to follow the law or they become criminals. That's like saying Criminals murder so citizens can too.

That was exactly the point that were were making above and in the original comment that I quoted. Criminals don't follow laws, therefore the law is invalid and should be eliminated.

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Common sense to me is the Newtown Principal and those kids might be alive today if even just one teacher or administrator was allowed to exercise their constitutional rights to use a firearm for self defense. Gun Free Zones, and attitudes like yours, created the situation that allowed those people to be killed.

I spent seven pages explaining why that was not the case. I am not going to repeat myself.

Tak:

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Then your friends must be in law enforcement, because the government says no otherwise.

Each airline has it's own rules on personal weapons. Usually carry in a locked case. No ammo.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1980011)

Tak:

Each airline has it's own rules on personal weapons. Usually carry in a locked case. No ammo.

Yes. They can also be transported in the baggage hold under similar conditions. That is different than an on-your-person carry, which is what I assumed we were talking about.

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1980000)

Gun Free Zones, and attitudes like yours, created the situation that allowed those people to be killed.

:/\\!!

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1980012)

Yes. They can also be transported in the baggage hold under similar conditions. That is different than an on-your-person carry, which is what I assumed we were talking about.

Well, no, you can not waltz on the aircraft like a cowboy with six shooters swinging from the hips. :haha:

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1980015)

Well, no, you can not waltz on the aircraft like a cowboy with six shooters swinging from the hips. :haha:

:haha:

In seriousness, since we are talking about the whole 'gun owners and victims' thing, even with the weapon in your carry-on, it's going to take some time and effort to get to it and get it ready to use under those requirements. Not exactly great protection in that state.

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1980018)

Oh no, the gun is useless in the box certainly. This is the intent. It works. Now I can not account for throwing the heavy box and clocking someone in the head. :-?

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1980009)

No, that's not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

Then Wiki is wrong:

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Five states allow people with concealed-carry permits to bring weapons into their capitols, according to Morgan Cullen, a Denver-based staff liaison at the National Conference of State Legislatures. Two allow anyone to carry them, he said. Texas lets members of the public with permits carry guns into its Capitol building, according to Tom Vinger, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, which administers security there. Last year the state installed a separate line for permit-holders to avoid metal detectors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...arce-says.html

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No, the problem is telling who is insane before hand. Your answer is to disarm everybody, which still leaves insane people around. And which is impossible anyway.

Really Steve?

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Your answer is to disarm everybody

Really Steve?

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Your answer

Really Steve?
Then no doubt you will be able to find an example where I have proposed that as an answer.
After all if it is my answer you should be able to prove that it is my answer a it would be very simple to prove if it were true.

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I googled and found this:

Yes Spanner, but thats no good as August thinks wars are the same as school shootings.
Unless of course he is just being dishonest and padding the numbers out to pretend that he really has a point:rotfl2:

Sorry, Tribesman, but I'm done scrolling back through pages to find the post your're referring to. Until you figure out how the quote function works you get no more answers from me; at least not to things you've "quoted".

And once again you play the "cryptic" game. I will continue to call you on your deliberate vagueness. Either debate the subject honestly or shut up.

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Sorry, Tribesman, but I'm done scrolling back through pages to find the post your're referring to.

Its bloody simple Steve you made a claim that I wanted to disarm everybody.
I challenge you to find a single example that will back up that ridiculous claim you made.

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at least not to things you've "quoted".

Errrr...you are quoted not "quoted" it is your words

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I will continue to call you on your deliberate vagueness.

Make your mind up. How am I being deliberately vauge yet appaerntly definately calling for something like you claimed I did.

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Either debate the subject honestly or shut up.

Yoo hoo .....it is you who is being called out on your ridiculous claim, so be honest and put up or shut up and withdraw your foolish allegation

Many state buildings in Texas have 30.06 signs and pretty much every bar has a 51% sign. Basically what those mean is "you carry a concealed gun in here, you get in trouble and could go to jail."

http://www.burger.com/gunfaq08.htm

46.03 tells you where guns are not permitted at all:

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/46.03.00.html

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1980542)

Its bloody simple Steve you made a claim that I wanted to disarm everybody.
I challenge you to find a single example that will back up that ridiculous claim you made.

Once again you miss the point entirely. I like to double-check the context, and you are either too lazy or too obtuse to provide that. It's a simple task that seemingly everyone on this forum can do except you. I'm not saying I didn't say it, I'm saying you need to learn how to use the quote button. I said I'm not scrolling through the entire thread to refresh my memory on why I said it.

Or maybe you do it on purpose.

[quoted]Errrr...you are quoted not "quoted" it is your words[/quote]
Prove it. Provide the link to my actual post.

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Make your mind up. How am I being deliberately vauge yet appaerntlydefinately calling for something like you claimed I did.

Once again you manage to miss the point. This time the point was your "Oh really?" crap. You don't discuss the question, you just say "Oh really?" or you post a smilie. My point was that you do that all the time. You don't discuss, you mock. You don't debate, you throw out one-liners.

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Yoo hoo .....it is you who is being called out on your ridiculous claim, so be honest and put up or shut up and withdraw your foolish allegation

And I'll answer that, the day you learn how to quote somebody with the link, so they don't have to read back through a dozen pages to figure out what you're talking about.

I have to go with Steve on that, Tribesman. Learn to use the damn quote button already, or at least the [quote=MemberName ] tag.