Not a problem. If I had a dime for every time I've been wrong on these forums I wouldn't be crying about my crappy old computer.

I know that one well. I've got a good connection but the rest is going fast. :sunny:

If he cared about the truth at all he would keep his mouth shut. There's a lot I don't like about Obama, and there's a lot I don't like about Romney. Trump? I feel like Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca. I'd despise him, if I thought about him at all.

I like Ike....Uh Obama.

I would rather have a president that is reserved, and not a twitch response guy like Willard.

I at least know where O stands. Romney is a chameleon. Just got to alabama and ask him about abortion or socialized healthcare, then come to NJ and ask the same thing, I bet money you get different answers.

Alot of the reason I liked Bush, you knew where he stood, you knew what he was about.

I miss GW.

God bless Texas.

soopa?

Is that compared to Obama? Who talks but has yet to actually give us ANY type of forward looking plan? Or the guy who whispers to the Russians that after the election he can be more "flexible"? Or did you mean how he had a position on gay marriage that changed, then changed back?

They are both politicians. The difference is Obama says one thing, while doing another - all while hurting the people he is supposed to be working for. Romney may be moderate compared to the hardcore right - but at least he has a record of success. Obama only can launch personal attacks against his opponent - because he can not defend his record.

Record of success on a lesser stage vs a record of failure on the biggest stage of all.

I will say it now - the electoral college will be close - but Romney will win the popular vote by at least 5 points. If I am right - I will post an "I told you so". If I am wrong - I will eat my crow in public.

All I can think of those that want Obama to win is they're a bunch of sheep being lead around by their nose. Filled with tall tales of all the great things he would do for us.... that have never happened nor will they. All the the lies he told during his campaign were recorded and have been refered to by many. Many Blacks that thought he was a gift from God have changed their minds and will not vote for him... they want him gone. And quite a few are prominent in our communities across the country. He has not made more jobs, nor has he fixed problems he said he would. Instead he's blamed Bush, like everyone else has. Things have actually gotten worse since Obama took office. And I'm not even going to say a thing about his destroying the US Constitution. Yes I am, one thing. There is no Constitutional amendment giving him the right to dictate health care. And most of the 2007 pages of his Obama crap have nothing to do with health care. Read it and you'll find out for yourselves.

The last straw was Lebanon and the murder of our Ambassador to Lybia, along with all the others with him and those protecting him. I bet you didn't know the Ambassador's dead body was dragged thru the streets. All the top officials.... Obama, Biden, Clinton, Generals, and others... knew exactly what was happening over there in real time, but did nothing to protect our people. Navy Seals were 1 hour away but weren't called in. Then afterwards they lied about it trying to blame it all on a movie the terrorists had watched. Do you know that it's an Act Of War if any of our Embassies in the world are attacked and Americans killed in an attack. Now for lieing and doing nothing to procect them... it's an impeachable and treasonous act.

And you want this Marxist Muslim to stay in office. With what he has planned and with his Obama Care, you'll be lucky if you can walk the streets of American free with money in you pocket to feed your family. It's already been said that if he wins, we will face the worst recession ever and it will possibly be the downfall of the America we have now.

If he wins this election God help us all for being fools.

God i love how some of you Americans get worked up over politics
End of the world this
Disaster that
Armed revolution here
Armed revolution there
:rotfl2:

You can laugh, but it's worked for us for over 200 years. :yep:

Yes, it's already been said by people like you. But if he does get re-elected and by chance none of that happens, will you come back and say you were wrong, or will you just preach our downfall for the next round. Of course the people who disagree with you are sheep. But so are the people who agree with you. Do you have anything different to offer? Do you really think Romney, or anyone else, will save America from the fall you predict? I don't think it will happen. We're better than that.

The problem I have is that people have been saying the exact things you said for the past two hundred years. "If Jefferson is elected, murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced!"

Your tactic is old and broken, and if I really thought either of the candidates was worth two cents I'd be tempted to be driven into Obama's camp just because of preaching like yours. I'll be glad when this is over, just so the noise will stop.

But of course it will never stop. People have to have their sides to hate. And you talk about sheep.

Thanks for the sanity Steve, this time you "stole" a lot of what I would say on the subject :up:

And more to the point, people also seem to severely overstate the effect of who's in the office on the actual American economy. As several here on the forums have already noted, there are major signs that the economy is recovering - as part of the natural up-and-down cycle of the market. Both sides are pushing strongly to try and take credit for said recovery. Regardless who is in the office, it appears bound to happen - especially when you consider the fact that, when you strip away the promises and ideology, the way both major parties deal with the market is identical in all but superficial ways.

I think the first step America needs to take is getting rid of apocalyptic thinking about the future and the economy. The sky isn't falling. The next World War isn't about to start. There is a remarkable lot of work to do and leeway to act for responsible people. Reducing it all down to whose butt is occupying the chair in the oval office is superficial, short-sighted and stupid. Which is exactly what both parties appear to want their loyalists to be.

Steve, I don't really care for Ronmey. But I sure as hell don't like Obama and what he's done.

Here's something to read pertaining to Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi: http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/f...sg_share_topic

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Candle: Bringing you light for 2,200 years and counting.
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I don't know if that rubbish is a step above or a step below the normal birther nonsense. But which ever it is its certainly on the same ladder.

Though of course one more thing from that post does have to be pointed out as it is more plain rubbish which some people of all sorts somehow still believe is true.....
......no it isn't, plain and simple.

My investment portfolio would disagree with you.

During the Bush Administration, I hated opening up my quarterly reports. The only investment I had that did not lose money was one that was 100% munibonds and that simply did not change. All of my and The Frau's investment accounts tanked.

The last four years, every single one of my and The Frau's accounts have increased. Sure, they did not grow as much as I like. I would like them to double every quarter! But they are all growing nice and steady for the last years.

That I can understand, and even agree with to a point. You may well be more honest than most, but I've seen so much of the screaming and yelling and arm waving that it gets hard to tell that from genuine concern.

Romney seems to be much smarter than Bush was, but every time I look at a picture of just about any Republican candidate for any office I keep getting reminded of Nixon. To be honest, both of them worry me, which is why I wish I could vote for None Of The Above.

Wait. I can. And I will. :sunny:

Well, let's be honest, that's not a very difficult thing to be...

OK - everyone stand back, this could get messy. I read the tea leaves entirely wrong. We will see what the next 4 years hold. Apparently, the American people are very divided and see gridlock as the best option.