No I'm dissappointed, and disgusted how this bill was passed, and how it was upheld, and how waivers have been given, so if this is so great why is there a need for waivers, you know what's worst than crowney capitalism, it's crowney socialism. So happy dependence day and welcome to a Post Constitutional America. Remember it was unfair taxes that started the first revolution, watching my country turned into a european socalistic crap hole sickens me.

Move to Australia! :)

But they have government health care and taxes and waivers and subsidies and taxis and submarines and wallabies.
Its raveny socafism of an antipodean nature, if its so great why have they got wallabies?

Why should, I move, I like the lay of the land just fine, your are just going to have to deal with a freedom love-ing conservative like me and millions of others like me, and if I can throw a monkey wrench into the workings of tyranny, I will, welcome too the revolution.:O: So how many people do you think listen too Beck, Hannity, Levin , Doc Savage, Rusty Humpheres, and countless others?????? almost forgot Rush silly me.,, oh I bet it's alot,

How am I extreme? I simply want the government to abide by the constitution and vehemently oppose elected leaders such as obama who refuse to do so.I oppose emotion based politics which inspire policies that strip liberties under the guise of "helping" people(obamacare) just as much as I oppose policies that strip liberties under the guise of security, namely the patriot act or ndaa.How is that extreme? it is not! I oppose policies of discrimination(affirmative action) and promote those that judge one based on merit, that is not extreme, that is just rational, sound thinking and most of , it is what is RIGHT.I do not mind differing opinions when based on logic or rationality but emotion based politics, which is usually what the left thrives on, well they are illegitimate and I vehemently oppose them.Nothing extreme there.However, I do not mind being called an extremist(even though it is false) because Goldwater said it best "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice"

Obamacare is tyranny but aside from that aspect, it is just bad policy that makes no sense.Who here read the law? I bet just a few if any.Well, I read the law back when it was passed as I have said many times.They claim to lower costs yet it has new taxes, one that sticks out is a tax on new medical equipment.Hmmm, who do you think that cost will get passed on to? The now mandated insurance customer.The original 1 trillion price tag is now estimated 2 trillion.What does that mean kiddies? More debt.

The main concern here is the legal precedent set by the ruling, it gives the federal government license to do what they want and if citizens refuse, to punish them via a tax, to hell with individual liberties or the fact that this reasoning is total fabrication.I love that Robert's was actually, albeit briefl intellectually honest and admitted it was not constitutional under the commerce clause(so a giant :haha: all those I argued with forever about it being unconstitutional)

Like I said, we are at the point where politics are not politics anymore, if you support the government having that much power, you are complicit in in tyranny, ignorance is bliss I suppose.

I will close with this ecard.....


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Yeah but all your teachers of law don't know nothing and ain't never done nothing so your understanding of the law must be nothing as you are educated in law by people that don't know nothing about law.

Hoisted by your own petard young man:haha:

You're not extreme. Neither is Yubba. You are both, however, incapable of examining all the facts or discussing the issues reasonably. This makes you dangerous, not because you are right, but because there is no room for even the possibility of error. You both see only what you want to see, and never learn or grow. Believe it or not, you are the antithesis of what the founders imagined for the country. Again, this is not because of your beliefs, but because of the lockstep way in which you express them.

I still keep hoping that someday you might learn.

"Tune into Obama's State of the Union and see what socialist America-haters he is channeling! This Kenyan Socialist is out to put the free market on trial, clearly." ( Link )

I still have trouble understanding how a health care reform which leaves the health care sector firmly in the hands of the private sector is "socialistic".

Because the marketing consultants on the right have found that "socialism" is a buzzword that resonates with people. Therefore it's shoehorned into any policy debate so that people don't have to think or analyze for themselves, and instead just act on emotion and the negative connotations the word brings.

The health care is left in the private sector? If this is the case why is the Fed imposing a penalty...ah...tax?


Mookie:
People act on their wallet. The emotion comes into play when they are relieved of what's in the wallet for something they feel they should not pay for. As for the negative connotations the word brings, enlighten us to what positive connotation the word brings. :hmmm:

Sneaky:up:

Uh...what? I think you've missed the point somewhere.

On the word socalism? Personally i'm tired of all the emotionally charged rhetoric. Said rhetoric is what push's me away from the right and more toward center in my own views. The more emotionally charged rhetoric that is spewed instead of a logical argument with supporting evidence and a proposed solution that is also logical, the further away from the right I feel.

That said, back to the word, "socialism". Growing up in the latter end of the cold war, the word socialism to me conjures imagery like this:
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The word "socialism" in my mind, harkens back to that cold war era. The days of Strategic Air Command, Ronald Regan, communism vs capitalsim. In my mind, to say something is "socalist" is to say, its Communist, and to say something is communist, harkens back to this cold war era when American might was at its peak. In this context, to say something is socalist, is to say it's antithesis of what it means to be American.

The word Socalist, to me, is EXTREMELY charged, and I don't think there is a more loaded word in the rhetorical lexicon. The insinuation it brings is exaggerated and preposterious. The use of the word by any news source or commentary, in my mind, makes it automatically lose all credibitly when they have to rely on such a charged word to convey a message or point, because the insinuation I believe they are making. To me, this word is used as a substitute for a valid argument with supporting evidence and rational thought because one cannot be presented.

I seriously wish the GOP and other right wing supporters would cease to use this word. It's clownish at best.

My 2 cents from the peanut gallery.

I don't believe I have. You stated the word socialism conjures up a bad image, emotions and negativity. My question, what good imagery, emotions and postivity is conjured up when the word socialism is introduced?