I think he should be saying that people bothering to deal with the same old conspiracy theories and the same old debunked claims that are posted again and again only encourages people to keep posting the same old conspiracy rubbish again and again.

Well, on one side, one mans rubbish is another mans treasure. On the other I side I do see where you are coming from. its not like there is a 'shortage' of places for conspiricy talk on the internet. But the often rather unfortunate compulsion of your average knee-deep conspiricy theorist is to "SPWEAD THE WORD".

I believe the colloquial is something along the lines of 'he mad, bro'.

First, as said before i do not doubt it was an assassination, or attack.

I am not also sure about the Pentagon incident - it is just that officials and witnesses said they did not find "organic rests" (?), in or outside the building, and that the parts found around the point of impact did not match an airliner, from wheels/landing gear to sheet metal (seems it was all plastic).
But i admit i do not know, i just wonder why someone would make al that up, i mean commissioners and officers who were there ?

Regarding information not received or used wrongly - sure, it is not easy parting truth from fiction, what to really expect and then do the right thing against it. Maybe they had no such exact information though, but at least some guys must have known something - this submarine filming the impacts, from the right place at the right time, 5000 miles from its home - coincidence ?

But it seems this has become an opinion piece of how dumb 'truthers' [sic!] are and how dare they challenge official reports, to ridicule them (also know your Cass Susstein). But maybe it just does not fit in some people's paradigms of how the world is supposed to work, for them.


So why don't we just look at facts, evidence and the official reports explaining how it was possible those buildings were able to collapse, by a violent blow of gasoline, and then "office material" fires, and structural failures based on all that.
There is no doubt two planes flew into the two high towers, right ?

And when we read the official explanations and reconstruction (it has been posted here twice, by s.o. else and me), let's once more try a scientific approach. After those official reports were published, what do architects and specialists in building high-rise structures say of that ?

There are 1500 architecture specialists who claim this report is wrong, not even necessarily intentional, or for conspiracy reasons or theories, but because they feel they have the responsability of building and having built similar high rise structures, safe for further use, and finding explanations for the relatives of the people who died.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7JCq...eature=related

Repeating that rubbish again just shows you don't listen and don't learn.:doh:

Constantly denying everything without even admitting there is something strange, and without even seeing that link i posted (indicated by the speed of your answer posted), does not convince me either. :03:

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Read it slowly, look at what it says

Repeating that rubbish again just shows you don't listen and don't learn.
you posted a link to some regularly featured conspircy nuts who have done the rounds more times than a postman, the featured "experts" on structural integrity include....... an actor:rotfl2:

You know, the problem is that "truthers" have lost all credibility over the years.
They have been repeatedly proven to have faked images, outright put words
in other people's mouths and to take things out of context just to try and feebly
prove it was an conspiracy.

And speaking of not checking out links, did you miss the link I posted to RKOwens' YT channel that debunks a lot of stuff?

If you want to hear both sides at the same time, search for Hardfire 911
on Youtube. You'll find many debates where "truthers" and debunkers debate
numerous issues with 911. I really recommend you to check them out,
just to see how ridiculous the "truther" side of things are.

As for your post #124:

If by "organic rest" you mean body parts, then you are wrong. Bits and pieces
were found from Pentagon. Heck, Pentagon even took some flak earlier this
year when it turned out that unidentified remains were cremated and put
to landfills.

The landing gears and engine parts were also identified as airliner wreckage,
so again, you are wrong. Same goes for the rest of the wreckage, never
have I heard someone say that it would've been something else than the plane.

I'll check the link you posted later. :salute:

Unfortunately, this is the case when trying to debate with these people.
They keep repeating things that have been time and time again been debunked.

Very good example you STILL see after almost 11 years is the claim that
"Fires don't melt steel". Only problem with that: No one ever claimed it did. :O:

Why not spoil yourself by indulging in an experiment?
Do a search function just on Subsims GT section and see how often the same "1500 architects" rubbish has been repeated and linked to.

Heh :)

Well, I've never seen said video, so what the heck. :03:

In fact, I'm not sure if I want to watch the whole 2hrs of it, I'm 8 minutes in
and have heard 2 things already from these supposed "experts" that are wrong.

1. Fires brought down the towers
--- Partly, yes. What amounted was the flippin' airliner that struck the tower(s)
which in turn knocked out the fireproofing from the beams.
So, airliner + structural damage + fire = collapse

2. WTC 7 suffered minor damage
--- This is something you hear all the time from the "truthers", simply not true.
As is their way, the completely ignore photos of the damage taken from another
angle that shows quite a bit of damage.

Like this one:
http://911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7Corner.jpg

I wouldn't call that "minor damage". :doh:


Oh well, nothing better to do, so I'll suffer through the thing.

It's Friday Night™! :o

Well the reports i read were not on YouTube, but written reports of several of the officials who were sent there to collect personal material from passenges, and one report of a commissioner who went back, because, as he said, he did not know why he was there - he did not find either. Same with a police officer and some firemen, in their reports. So maybe they did not look properly or make that up - just why ?

The other Youtube link i posted showed wheels and the rest of one small jet engine found in the rubble of the Pentagon's hit section, that were much smaller than those of even a very small airliner (so directly contradicting this statement above, hmm), also showing plastic sheet hull materials and very small and thin hull parts of aluminium skin, not to be found on commercial jets as well. Also the landing gear was not big enough to be of a commercial jet - at least some Boeing engineers said so. So again - why make this up ?
I mean would you trust a politician with an agenda telling you something he knows sh!t about, or some experts and witnesses ?

But thanks, will look at the links you posted, maybe i oversaw this one :salute:

Regarding the link i posted with architects speaking, it seems to be from march 2003, and yes, i did not see it before - :hmmm:

Thanks and greetings,
Catfish

Never heard of that, so if you can track down the documents, I'd like to read them.
In the meantime, here's a floorplan showing the locations of human remains
found at the site:

Flight 77 = Blue
Pentagon Staff = Orange
Unintendified = Black

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...fatalities.jpg

Many who were there, digging through the rubble reported body parts, probably
the most notable being the bodies still strapped to their seats.

Main gear assembly from Pentagon (bottom right)
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...ebris-full.jpg

Main gear assembly of a 757:
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...el-01-full.jpg

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...rison-full.jpg

And so on.

There was not any grand conspiracy. Just very well laid plans by individuals wishing harm, uncertainty and making a point.

I saw wheels that looked like that on a narrow gauge railway in Wales.
It proves without doubt that the Pentagon was really hit by a Welsh steam train hijacked by the sons of glendower.