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Buddahaid 01-18-12 01:34 AM

Please explain the chart monitor. Is the wide red line the charted course so the ship deviated to thread that needle? Or is that where she is sunk.

Type941 01-18-12 07:44 AM

as you see, Carnival aren't so clean - they've done this in the past, so captain's cowardly actions aside, his insitence that he went according to the route etc are probably valid.. As BBC says, not so black and white anymore. Data from Lloyds.

This is a better map.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...b73dea0a2a.jpg

joea 01-18-12 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Type941 (Post 1823368)
as you see, Carnival aren't so clean - they've done this in the past, so captain's cowardly actions aside, his insitence that he went according to the route etc are probably valid.. As BBC says, not so black and white anymore. Data from Lloyds.

This is a better map.

A good map indeed. If it was up to me, there would be some company execs under arrest in addition to the captain. :shifty:

geetrue 01-18-12 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1822969)
I heard the discussion on danish and swedish news and it truly chocked me. If it's true that he left before the last passange have abandon the ship, then he have broken every known and unknown sea rules.
Markus

The captains latest excuse for leaving is that he tripped into the life boat, how will that sound in a court of inquiry? :oops:

kraznyi_oktjabr 01-18-12 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by geetrue (Post 1823489)
The captains latest excuse for leaving is that he tripped into the life boat, how will that sound in a court of inquiry? :oops:

:D My brother told about this couple of hours ago. I had to ask him to repeat it twice as I was absolute sure that I misheard him. :nope:

Herr-Berbunch 01-18-12 12:00 PM

He tripped and fell into the arms of Dimitri in the lifeboat ;)

vienna 01-18-12 01:41 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/italy-enthrall...133527443.html

soopaman2 01-18-12 01:56 PM

So I was right about the captain at the outset...

Not only is he incompetenet, but a coward to match.

To leave your ship before you safely seen to your passengers is cowardly, repulsive, and he should see a prison cell.

One count unintentional manslaughter per life lost. Sentence ran consecutively if that is how the Italians do it.

A disgrace to all seamen.

mapuc 01-18-12 02:24 PM

He (the captain) has obviously sailed the same route before, so close upon the land. That made me thinking of this: What if he has been told from the top leadership that he must sail so close to land

Just a thought
(I know I have said I wouldn't give any statement before the official report was at hand)

Markus

soopaman2 01-18-12 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1823627)
He (the captain) has obviously sailed the same route before, so close upon the land. That made me thinking of this: What if he has been told from the top leadership that he must sail so close to land

Just a thought
(I know I have said I wouldn't give any statement before the official report was at hand)

Markus


In all fairness, I did read that ships tend to cruise close to shore and blow horns to impress the onboard tourists. (you see this in NY ports all the time)

He refused to go back on board his boat, when ordered by Italian CG officials, is where my calls as a coward comes from.

Fincuan 01-18-12 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1823627)
He (the captain) has obviously sailed the same route before, so close upon the land. That made me thinking of this: What if he has been told from the top leadership that he must sail so close to land

Imho it's probable that the headsheds encouraged such actions, possibly even ordered them, but it's still the captain who's in charge and it's his duty to refuse such orders. It might not be the easiest thing to do with millions of dollars and your job at stake, but that's how it goes. The maritime industry is a bit unique in the sense that the captain is still the king on his ship and ultimately responsible for everything related to his ship, its crew, cargo and passengers. Whatever goes wrong they can always find some way to put blame on the captain should they want to.

Type941 01-18-12 02:57 PM

well, if Carnival wants to put the blame on the captain, he sure makes it easy for them given how the CG vs Captain chat went. :)

Still, the fact seems to appear that the ship has done this in the past and THAT is a fault of Carnival. I'd be suing Carnival over this too.

mapuc 01-18-12 03:02 PM

I defend definitely not the captain. What he made was cowardly and it is no excuse for it.

Markus

Herr-Berbunch 01-18-12 03:12 PM

A complete contrast to the guy who landed on/in the Hudson, double checked everyone out and last to leave. :yeah:

soopaman2 01-18-12 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1823655)
A complete contrast to the guy who landed on/in the Hudson, double checked everyone out and last to leave. :yeah:


Captain Sullenberger (sully) is a hero.

http://www.facebook.com/sully

More should be like him.

I'd link to wikipedia but they are protesting some fascist legislation today.


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