The word Scheiße is part of my daily language.
You made assumptions here about my guilt, hence my answer, as we don't know each other personally.
The salam, was sincere though, as we have a peaceful conversation here, don't we? And no: I am not your Kamerad.


The site is also linked by the site that MH posted. But if someone refuses to inspect the site, because he doesn't like one sentence on it, then one can't see it.
Funny, as ZeeWolf wants us to watch a boring one hour speech by Irving, but refuses to explore a site where all the arguments from Holocaust deniers are represented and debated - not only in the trial transcript.

Hi NoenSamurai,
I check out your link and I found it interesting. But I remember, when I was
just a little feller of seeing those horrible pictures of what those nazis did and
couple of images (I will never forget) where of shrunken human heads and soap
made from little Jewish children that the SS used to wash with.
Both Items presented as evidence at the Nuremberg trials.
And this my be a little off topic but is there any "How to"
instruction on making lampshades. Because there are allot of people with tattoos now
and that might generate more curiosity in the Holocaust.

ZeeWolf :salute:

I am sorry Penguin I was away visiting http://www.nizkor.org/
As far as your use of Scheiße in your daily language, it must go much futher
then that if you have been living in the "New Germany"
Although our topic can get tense there is no reason to be anything but friendly and respectful.

That is my test for sincerity,

ZeeWolf

How to make lampshades from what...? If you're talking about what I think you are god help you.

Hi Krauter,
I can always use God's help when talking about any aspect of the Holocaust.
As far as the the lampshade issue, I can assure you of at least one thing
if there was a lampshade made from human remains and used as
evidence against the Germans during WWII there would be documented
evidence. Unless of course it was a total made up lie.

ZeeWolf

What the hell is wrong with you? Why are you looking for a "How To" guide on lampshades from human skin? How does that garner interest in the Holocaust?

Also, I'm sure that they didn't need a manuel on how to make a lampshade from human flesh.

I don't know Krauter, probably the way any other aspect of the holocaust
does. But if you think about it though I am sure you will come to the same
conclusion as I did that the issue of the holocaust forced on the average American. Constantly being reminded by the enlightened among us of just
how terrible we all are for allowing such a thing to happen to those wonderful
people. Then to find out they dug up a guy, burned him, then trough him in the ocean I'm just sick of all the lies.
And then on top of that there is guys like David Erving who are treated like
the disciples of Christ for saying what they believe. The whole thing just hit a nerve Krauter.

ZeeWolf

They propably should had brought a pile of bodies like this?

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps.../massgrave.jpg

A mass grave in the Bergen-Belsen camp


from this to Lapshade ...nahh ...cant be.

Ok, I changed my mind now

I'm sorry for how you feel Zeewolf, but at the moment what your saying and what your telling me right now, disgusts me.

Good day.

Get used to it Krauter,
Btw, maybe there is something you may find worthy of celebrating, I heard
President Obama made a change in the US military that some guys hopping
up and down about. Especially that liberal "holier than thou" crowd.

good day to you too:salute:

ZeeWolf

When dealing with the holocaust there are aspects of it which are indeed myth, or very isolated instances. The human soap one is one example.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techn...l/soap-01.html

To date and to my knowledge there is only one example of soap made from human fat, and that this was made experimentally.. see
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/stutthof/
The "Pure Jewish Fat" soap story is myth though.

As for the lampshades and other stuff, this covers that.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/techn...y-koch-01.html


There is however plenty of evidence that murder occurred on a massive and organized scale.

For example, an archaeological investigation of the Aktion Reinhard death camp, Belzec (warning, the contents, though non photographic, are gruesome).
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/...logical_Report

Thanks Neon Sam,
I read the soap and lampshade articles and I must say, the gruesome details given by the witnesses
(especially in the numerous links with the soap ) is stunning.
Then to read that these stories are lies - cast more doubt then sheds light.
Then there was the statement about the lampshades. This to lacks credibility now we have the
scientific methods to determine enormous forensic data that should be used to help identify these people.
But what is glaring with these accounts are the lack of wide spread military or government involvement that
is the foundation of the holocaust's case.
These kinds of stories are great for the physiological-warfare units that where tasked with the planned
"collective guilt" agenda on the entire population of post-war Germany but does little to bolster the
"nazi death camp industry" or death on an industrial scale, at least in my view.
Of course the images of the dead people who where certainly starved is
compelling but when you ask the question - how where the camps supplied?
The answer might be the camps rely on the railroads being the major support method.
And then when you consider the massive bombing campaign that was raging for the last 5 months of the war - why wouldn't
there be mass starvation in the camps filled with the enemies of the state.
Camps that where over capacity is some camps ten fold.
So, basically the holocaust asserts that millions where murdered in gas chambers between early42 - late 1943.
Then the US and Soviets having found millions dead in April of 1945 does not add up. I am not ready to trust
any account given that ignores the effect the allied terror bombing had at producing that insane hell that was the last months of Nazi Germany.

Zeewolf

.. read some more history.
Not just Irving's stuff..
You might also find out that there was no problem in supplying POW camps populated by British and Americans.
There had been occasional interruptions but all was relatively well there till end of the war.
The east was a place where all crazy things happened even though it was least affected by the allied bombings.

Ok you have a point but you failed to mention the Soviet POWs. You see our
Soviet allies stated emphatically "The Soviet Union has no Prisoners of War". Stalin refused to recognize his own troops who surrendered to the
Germans. So Germany. now with close to 5 million Russian troops taken from the field of battle (as POWs) are forced to deal with them without the help of there wonderful government or the benefits of the enormous aid rendered by the international Red Cross. The German fighting forces on the eastern front had more Russian POWs feed than German troops.
And as a footnote the Red Cross was a God send and made a very interesting report that stated the death rate of displace peoples after May 1945. It said the death rate remained steady for a full year after the fall of Berlin. I will find the link to that report if you are interested and post it.
Moreover, the condition of the US and UK troops are proof there was cooperation between fighting nations. Namely Germany England and America
concerning the treatment of POWs.
But if you would read some history you would know that America had penicillin. Which was considered in that day a miracle drug. The US could have shared through the Red Cross that would have saved massive numbers of people. Also the US had the cure for the murderous disease of Typhus. The disease responsible for the greatest amount of death in the concentration camps. Typhus by the way is why the Germans used Zyclon B and needed the disinfectant gas chambers as well as the crematoriums. That is how they attempted to deal with this horrendous epidemic of typhus that raged through the camps.

ZeeWolf