Ok.. that does it. I am offically NOT a liker of Obama now. Before I was indifferent. Now, i officially DO NOT like him. He's obviously trying to court the mexican vote instead of trying to do something about illegal immigration.. May as well start calling ourselves Estados Unidos de Mexico. California, is already, for all intents and purposes, a territory of mexico. Christ, this ticks me off.

I'd agree with that.

Though his handling of the Gulf of Mexico situation didn't do his popularity in the UK much good.

Maybe a bit of his Kenyan ancestry coming through......:hmmm:

Mike.

Well, it was part of New Spain....

Maybe it's all part of a great plan to retake Mexico's old borders....?

First California, then Arizona, New Mexico and finally the Alamo.....

Where's Peter Ustinov when you want him..?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viva_Max!

Mike.:O:

" ... Though his handling of the Gulf of Mexico situation didn't do his popularity in the UK much good. ..."

Do you think BP's handling of the "Gulf of Mexico situation" did do BP's (or other oil companies) popularity much good :hmmm:

But it was perfectly marketing i agree :
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...seareboats.jpg

Greetings,
Catfish

IMO I think he did not have 'balls' to take hold of the situation in the Gulf of Mexico, but that's hardly the sole blame on Mr. Obama, while there are other human factors are involved

"Gulf of Mexico situation" - meant as a polite euphimism.:03:

I'm not absolving BP of blame - they cocked up (A polite way to put it) big time.

Obama's apparent concentration on "British" Petroleum as opposed to BP got a lot of people's back up.

BP may have started of as a UK company, but it's as multinational as any other oil conglomerate now.

Obama failed to make that distinction, for whatever reason. By implying that it was a "British" problem, he tried the blame game, instead of taking charge of the situation and doing what was actually needed. It could be argued that his Kenyan background, specifically what happened to his Grandfather during the Mau Mau Rebellion, coloured his judgement.

There was quite a bit of speculation on that last part in a few of the UK papers.....

Mike.:hmmm:

To say that it is wrong that the UK tracked the whole thing out, it is a real long shot, however, so BP could have acted differently, of course, Mr. Obama, to send out signals that make it act, one that enter into a pie throwing at the political level

Hello MGR1,
well i know an english historian who did never excuse or let anyone criticize England's imperial past, so if Mr. Obama knows him i might understand his notion ;). And then there was Mr. C. Rhodes and his Rhodesia etc. etc.

I do not know whether you work in the oil industry but whatever colour, nationality or multinational affiliation the company belongs to, ExxonMobil, Halliburton and Baker-Hughes are as american, as BP is english or Shell is dutch. This multinational BS is just to not pay taxes in their home country and certainly have international specialists as employees. National memorial days are being celebrated internally and officially, in all oil companies i know of.

After the events that lead to the disaster have now been summed up it indeed seems the most basic security measures have been abandoned, for this "borehole of hell" as it was called weeks before the disaster.

Having a scapegoat to present to the american public is not the invention of Mr. Obama, but he handled this situation a bit "inapt" - admitted.

Greetings,
Catfish

P.S. Hey Vendor, your name just now appears at the upper right, for donating to SubSim !

:salute:

No, because Obama has lost the white independent voter which is what still decides elections.Barry has not just lost them due to the economy but he numerous racist incidents in addition to coming out on the wrong side of issues like healthcare and the mosque etc as well all the other crap associate with his admin.If the economy rebounds enough, I'll say maybe but I doubt it.

Obama was way ovverated in 2008, a lot of people were just tired of Bush and the economy was on a downward spiral.McShame was not dynamic and offering anything that sounded great.Barry came in talking all centrist like after the primary when most people pay attention and compared to McCain, he looked like the most articulate statesman in a long time.Put Barry against a Reagan etc he's crap, because well he is crap and was highly overrated.I will be shocked if he gets reelected because people are sick of him and all the trash associated with him.

Oh, I see we have a common "Obama sucks" thread now. Was only a matter of time I guess.

Did you bother reading my post that you quoted or were you too busy attempting to refute it?

First off, I mentioned Morris - not Bubblehead. Secondly, as far as MY comments were concerned, and your rebuttals, I was pretty thorough in dismantling your ill-conceived ideas of social redistribution.

PS: Responses such as this: ...are not counter-arguments. Those are EXACTLY what I was referring to in my post.

Please again tell me how the demand of the common person for cheap goods should be completely ignored? (I really shouldn't say "again" as you never attempted to explain this the first time, but rather responded with yet another pat-yourself-on-the-back retort with absolutely no substance whatsoever.

Oh, and this was ripe:So percentages, not dollar amounts, are what matters? Again, typical resdistributionist thinking - and again, no accounting whatsoever for the fact that those same people pay a MUCH HIGHER RATE OF TAXES which go to support numerous social welfare programs to begin with.

Must be fun to demand so much of others while giving so little of your own...

I disagree ... he's so far failing miserably at mobilizing his base.

I think his re-election bid will fall flat unless he moderates himself on much of his already-passed agenda (I.E. support a "second look" at the disasterous healthcare bill). In '08 he had the talking points that no longer fly. Now even his base is pessimistic.

Quite frankly, all he's left with is an almost unanimous consent from the black community, which bothers me so incredibly greatly. It is a sad demonstration of a racial divide in which blacks are clearly agreeing with one who is black purely because he is black. In a recent poll 98% of blacks support Obama (if I recall correctly, it was Rasmussen. However, if anyone thinks I'm making this up I'll be glad to search for the poll in question as it was from a mainstream pollster). Think about that: you can't get that kind of majority to agree on ANYTHING.