Originally Posted by thorn69 (Post 1442617)

This is not just happening in Germany Skybird. This is happening in just about every democracy where people consistently attempt to mock and test the system to see what they can and can not get away. When they can get away with something they get more ambitious and move onto more and more taboo ideas to test against the system. They want the government to tell them "No", because this gives them a challenge and a way to sue for money and power.

Just look at how much things have changed in America in such a short period of time. Do you think homosexuality would have ever been excepted during Washington's time period? I think not. What about abortions? Nope not that either. Blacks challenged the system, then women, then gays, and on and on and on. Eventually it's going to be allowed for people to indulge in bestiality and other taboo ideas because the system just can't say "No". Why can't it say, "No"? Simple, because if you say "No" to my cause then I will compare it to other causes that you have accepted. Germany is saying "No" to any form of Nazism. While that's noble and the right thing to do, there are going to be activists that will consistently challenge the law until they eventually get their way.

You see, it will never stop. The system is designed to allow people to "freely" destroy it because "freedom" knows no bounds. And like I've said before in another post. Absolute "freedom" will lead to the world's destruction. Why? Because somebody will eventually argue that it's their right to destroy the world. If you tell them "No" they will do it anyways because who's going to stop them when nobody exists?

Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1443447)

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1444393)

Since some people make any limiting of "free speech" such an issue here when it is about pouring out supremacist hate propaganda in Germany having the potential to relativise the crimes of the Nazi era and to raise new such troubles, let'S look at america - where the federal appeal court in NY has just sacked a law that prohibited not hate speech of this kind - but simple cursing on TV, even a single word that by modern standards is considered pretty much as maybe vulgar but still contemporary speech:

http://www.welt.de/fernsehen/article...ht-werden.html

The "puritan" media control FCC had released rules against unwanted words on TV, these rules go back to the 70s, and congress raised the penalties to over 300,000 dollars for using for example the F-word.

This was just the first English source I found to verify the German article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_644837.html

Originally Posted by Snestorm (Post 1444538)

And the court just threw the FCC's rules into the trash can.
Free Speech: 1
Puritan Controls: 0

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1444539)

Yes, what I said. but for decades you allowed these rules to be there, to be put into place via a campaigning and lobbying religious camp, and violations sanctioned with hilariously high penalties.

What took you so long?

Meanwhile, limitations also of media's abilities to report freely about the government'S actions have been enforced by the Patriot Act.

Originally Posted by Snestorm (Post 1444550)

What took ME so long?

Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1444544)

The more you close your hand the more they slip out of your grasp.

Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1435885)

Its nothing to do with free speech, the laws that cover such Nazi stuff are under the section dealing with things like treason.
The particular subsection which covers this if intent is shown is the protection of democracy bit.