sure, all older titles. i played AoTD years ago, thats a DOS game right? [pardon my complete ignorance about computers]. ive still got SH3 and yes its very good, but its the new generation stuff im seeking. already SH5 appears a much more graphically immersive game, and the mod community is slowly correcting gameplay.

i can appreciate your concept of "let the contemptuous big company die to allow keen little one carry the mantle". its a brave call, im not so optimistic. flight games are a dime-a-dozen, i fear theyll try a more popular market, one that already has a strong interest base.

i hope you are right and i am wrong!

Danger From The Deep is about as new as it's possible to be, since it's still in development. AoTD can be run with DosBox. It may even work in XP compatibility mode.

....you DO have some good news!

thanks for the heads-up re 'danger from the deep'. ive obviously confused the title, as im not at all familiar with that. i'll go check it out.

cheers. :woot:

Sticking to my guns. I will not buy it with DRM. Think about it this way....I still play some sims older than 10 years old. If they were to never release the game without removing DRM, how long could we expect them to keep the servers running? I doubt 10 years. ;) I'll hold out. Besides, it appears there are too many issues that need fixing in order to make it playable anyway.

SH5 seems to be a total stinker so I've no plans to buy it anytime soon. Not whining, though, because I'm perfectly happy exploring, learning and piloting the Shark for now (and occasionally playing some SH3 / GWX too).

But yeah, maybe later if the game gets fixed.

I'm holding out just fine! As long as this OSP/DRM is in place I will not buy/play it, ever!!:salute:

Still love my SH3.
SH5 just doesn't hold any appeal to me.
I do however stop by to see how the Damage Control is going.

Although it isn't for me, I hope those that have taken a keen interest in it can fully enjoy it, as much as I enjoy SH3.

and here the newest builds...

http://kawaii.indexof.co.uk/dangerdeep-latest/

How big is this, I thought the whole thing was only 64mb, must have been an old version, the new versions seem to be around 200mb zipped, could you please elaborate!:hmmm:

I use the 0.30 basebuild and install the newer builds via JSGME. Currently I use 3319.45 which has many improvements (vanilla 0.30 crashed sometimes when loading on my system) and lots more detail (e.g. nicer textures, which alone sum up to 100mb).

-> Artwork by Luis Barrancos, Thorsten Jorden, Martin Albertstadt, Marco Sarolo.
-> Soundtracks by Vera Lynn, and Betty Roche.

I hope it will get better and better. there is also a little thread here at subsim:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=75759

I'm holding out ok so far - still haven't bought it. And won't until the DRM is gone.

An unexpected bonus from this fiasco has been reading the convoluted logic from the DRM apologistas on these forums and having the best laugh I've had for ages.

I must admit I find the work Heretic is doing very intriguing.

Agree with Rockin Robbins wholeheardedly. The REAL power is in OUR pockets.

Up the revolution!!!

:arrgh!:

The obvious flaw in the "hold out" plan is that UBI won't see or feel what YOU didn't buy. You and the other couple of dozen (or couple of hundred if you subscribe to the 10:1 lurker to poster ratio theory) are an insignificant minority that can't even be quanitified.

I would venture to say that 95% + of UBI's sales on a game like SH5 or AC2 come from folks who don't know what DRM is or don't care. As far as the bugs and missing features go?... they probably won't even play the games long enough to notice. **

The point is, from UBI's perspective it's quite safe to ingore us, the insignificant few... UNLESS we make noise.

Lots of unpleasant noise.

Far better, in this regard, to buy the game and return it, than not to buy it at all. That way your objections stand some chance of registering.

JD

** this BTW is probably the use case employed when deciding which bugs get fixed and which ship with the initial release.


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Well, well, this hypothesis is being tested just now. Wait and see in a few month or a year what the result will be. I would judge so quickly. Although the number of subsim members "lurking" is probably small, just need to go out and check reviews and previews of (presently) SHV and ACII. Doesn't matter, you can even read the amazon(com/uk/de etc) customer reviews and you'll find that about 90% are worst possible rating. I assume ACII could have been big enough of a franchise for Ubi to make a difference once they get their next quarter sales report together. They'll need to explain to their stockholders...

Don't misunderstand. I'm not suggesting that a minority can't make a difference. What I am suggesting is that the way to make that difference is to do something that causes your complaints and objections to register in some way with the decision makers.

Review writers, professional or otherwise (eg, on Amazon), can make a difference. Store returns can make a difference (you are almost always asked about your reason for return). Industry writers, many of whom use forums like these to gauge the acceptance of a game release, can make a difference.

I just don't see a few dozen or a few hundred "hold outs" accomplishing that. Even if every single one of us who participate in the UBI and/or Subsim SH5 forums refused to buy the game, I doubt that would even register as a blip in UBI's revenue stream.

Just MHO...

JD