True that... Help me out, brother....:|\\

:D I completely understand your point, bad pirate.

in fact, I consider all the measures made by the industry (or in our case: UBI) limiting my freedom, invading my private spere and collecting data about my habits which I wouldn't like them to get. you don't have to convince me :up:

in a way, it's sad for me not be able to play SH5 but with OSP I never will.

And inflation-wise, they're getting cheaper. They've been $50 for as long as I can remember. Name one other good besides computer games that still costs the same as it did 10 years ago.

I remember buying "B17 Flying Fortress" back in 1990 for AU$89.95... T'was a lot at the time, and a "special occassion" kind of purchase (my g/f at the time bought it for me for Christmas).

20 years later...and new games are still AU$89.95.

The car analogy makes no sense to me. I have no right to a BMW if I cannot afford a BMW. Sorry. I don't think anyone is claiming that when said person instead buys a Kia BMW saying a sale was stolen from them.

The people that cannot afford to buy a game for $50, even $100? Then they should buy something they can afford, it doesn't justify theft.

The theft is wrong, even if the pirate never would have bought the game. The fact that he wouldn't actually buy it does alter the bottom line calculation for the company, however. There is also the fact that readily available cracks mean that some people that might have ponied up money don't and steal it instead (a real loss to the producer).

If they come up with a DRM scheme that actually works, they need to weigh how any downsides to it might negatively impact sales. It's a cost-benefit analysis. If the honest customers are put off enough to matter, then it's a net loss to them. Time will tell, I suppose.

A simple (IMO) solution to the online issue might be to allow "trusted" customers to avoid the system. People who have legal copies of (to use myself as an example) SH4, SH4 add-on, and every single Il-2 version can submit those serials and Ubi then realizes I'm not a criminal, and their DRM then doesn't treat me like one. Not gonna happen, but it's an idea.

Thanks... :)
Privacy and internet do not work well together...
But let's say that this drm thing is for stats/savegame upload/download....
Why not make it as part of the process, when you autopatch at the start of the game like in SH4UBM, at the same time you finish the job once per week?
Even starforce was cracked, sure it took a long time, but yeah...
Oh, I heard once UBI used no cd/dvd crack to fix their "protection" on one of their games.... :D

I used to play WarBirds when it was hourly.

My wife was in med school and very busy so I had to entertain myself. I had multi-hundred dollar bills for warbirds every single month. That was in the early or mid 90s, too, I think, so it was more in current dollars.

Was that the one that came on floppy disks?
I still have that big ring binder manual for it. :rock:

Don't make em' like they used to.

How do I know you're a trusted customer?
Well, snap a pic of your purchase receipt, serial cd key and boxed copy or download link, send it to legitcustomers@sales.ubi.com and I will believe you.

I like more Hearts of Iron 3 approach....
Buy the game, enter a serial in a forum profile, boom, you have the game to patches, mods, exclusive content and whadayaIknow....
Or make the FADE thing like when first SH4 came out, or like in ARMA 2, u-boat transforms into pig swimming.....

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I fully agree , therefore i will buy silent hunter 5




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Thank you, at least someone recognized this as a problem :) In the future guys, please report as a Bad Post anyone who does something like this, it's important to the integrity of this forum.


John, I know you are passionate about this DRM thing but I really cannot believe you would PM a developer who is actually a member of this forum, provoke him into replying, then post his Private Message on the forum, where it can be picked apart--and he has NO chance to reply, because he could lose his job if he does. Every developer, Ubisoft Romania, Sonalysts, EA, Akella, whoever, are under strict instructions by their company not to release information unless it has been approved by the managers. Occasionally a dev like Dan will post to clarify something or to join in the comraderie, and the company permits that. This is their job we are talking about.

To put a man into the position you have is inexcusable. Great way to make a reasoned arguement against "piracy".

For the record; there is no actual proof that this "dev" who allegedly made this comment exists, he could be a fiction created by the original poster.

People, feel free to continue the discssion in a new thread. Minus the developer's comments, please.

Neal

Kudos to each of you and others who had the integrity to call the OP out for this. Guys, this forum will only be as good as each of us makes it. :salute:

and i think its safe to say that any inclination any of the devs might have to respond to anyone here at this site will probably NOT happen any more now that you have put them in this possition :nope:

not a nice way to treat a fellow subsimmer and member IMHO