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SteamWake 01-18-10 02:51 PM

Finally heard from my friend abord the Comfort.

They were indeed delayed on departure but are well underway now and were somewhere off the Florida Coast (best guess).

Right now there trying to figure out what to do with the wounded once they have been treated. They are investigating the remains of the American Consulate as a possible site.

The comfort does have some recovery suites but nothing on the scale of what they anticipate. So what to do with all that 'walking wounded' ?

They anticipate arrival on late tuesday or sometime wednesday. He doesent get full navigational updates so these are again best guesses.

Buddahaid 01-18-10 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1239218)
Correct, this is Hillary's ballgame now. It was USAID and FEMA was under their direction. You will note Hillary was flying in with some supplies on her aircraft. Welcome to the PR tour.

That would be the perception no matter who was in office. Just because she's not on your favorites list, or mine, is not relevant. Just saying.

AVGWarhawk 01-18-10 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 1239296)
That would be the perception no matter who was in office. Just because she's not on your favorites list, or mine, is not relevant. Just saying.

Sir, I never said she was not on my favorites list. I was stating fact. What happened to Brown when Katrina hit? How much experience did he really have in logistics and running relief efforts? Why none and he was removed. Hillary has no business handling this. It is usually a logistical nightmare here on our own soil when it comes to disaster relief. Now throw in some many miles of water.

AVGWarhawk 01-18-10 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1239283)
Finally heard from my friend abord the Comfort.

They were indeed delayed on departure but are well underway now and were somewhere off the Florida Coast (best guess).

Right now there trying to figure out what to do with the wounded once they have been treated. They are investigating the remains of the American Consulate as a possible site.

The comfort does have some recovery suites but nothing on the scale of what they anticipate. So what to do with all that 'walking wounded' ?

They anticipate arrival on late tuesday or sometime wednesday. He doesent get full navigational updates so these are again best guesses.


Yes, delayed in port because 5 days is need to load the vessel. However, the news had the vessel enroute with water skiers in tow. :doh: I would say the very bad off will be in the vessel. Those that are not critical will be a triage on land. At any rate, the Comfort is an awesome vessel full of very dedicated people. :salute:

Tribesman 01-18-10 03:24 PM

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think that additional small aircraft in the air would only exacerbate the problem in an area lacking in control tower support. Is it really worth the 18 hour trip when an aircraft can eventually arrive under the 18 hours for the road trip from a dirt field?
You lost me there.
Is not the priority in increasing the functionality of the airport to restore tower control?
The airport itself has the problem of its size, increasing the apron and storage to increase its usefulness will as a matter of neccesity reduce its functionality while the work is being done. Even fully operational the current city airport simply could not handle the volume of supplies needed.
The landing strip proposal was only as an additional stop gap measure for increasing the flow.
Likewise the 18 hour trip is a stopgap measure to move supplies from the DR because they can't be got in directy to Haiti.
Though their best proposal so far for major movement is to build a road to the single usable pier in the city.

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Also, can we assure these trucks will go unmolested during this road trip?
The current small scale looting will diminish as food and supplies become more available.

SteamWake 01-18-10 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1239306)
Yes, delayed in port because 5 days is need to load the vessel. However, the news had the vessel enroute with water skiers in tow. :doh: I would say the very bad off will be in the vessel. Those that are not critical will be a triage on land. At any rate, the Comfort is an awesome vessel full of very dedicated people. :salute:

Thats the thing though there is no place to put those tended to. Simple as that. At this point in time there is no place for them. Hopefully they will get this worked out soon.

Triage is prior to treatment and thats another issue. Obviously not everyone can be treated abord the ship, how do you sort out whom gets treated and whom gets turned away without ... well... getting the french upset. ;)

Tribesman 01-18-10 03:34 PM

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Go back. Chech the link. And pay attention to detail.
Detail?
So Sweden tops the donations chart followed by Luxemburg then Denmark......bloody hell Guyana makes next place pushing Norway down into fifth.
Detail:har:

Buddahaid 01-18-10 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1239300)
Sir, I never said she was not on my favorites list. I was stating fact. What happened to Brown when Katrina hit? How much experience did he really have in logistics and running relief efforts? Why none and he was removed. Hillary has no business handling this. It is usually a logistical nightmare here on our own soil when it comes to disaster relief. Now throw in some many miles of water.

Ah, my misreading. Still, one would hope sense would prevail over the photo op. She's not stupid and can certainly see how much mishandling this will damage her, as well as the converse.

No need to call me sir. :shucks:

Biggles 01-18-10 03:46 PM

Sweden has given about 50 million swedish kronor atm, almost all from private donors, quite good, since unlike the Tsunami of 2004, almost none swedes are known to be harmed over there. Keep it up!:salute: And keep it up, all the other people around the world, who helps in any way they can! God bless!

Oberon 01-18-10 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1239226)
If it ain't a DC3 or a puddle jumper, you will not land on the dirt runway. No commerical carrier will land on the dirt with one of their aircraft. Not to mention the length of these runways will not accomdate a larger commercial aircraft.

Wouldn't a Herky bird be able to do it? Or do they not have the range? :hmmm:

Snestorm 01-18-10 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1239327)
Wouldn't a Herky bird be able to do it? Or do they not have the range? :hmmm:

Is the Herky bird the big one, that can pick up sea containers right from a ships deck?

Oberon 01-18-10 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm (Post 1239334)
Is the Herky bird the big one, that can pick up sea containers right from a ships deck?

I meant the C-130 Hercules. :salute:

Biggles 01-18-10 04:07 PM

Bring in the DC-3. It'll handle anything. Maybe not the biggest cargo hold in the airfleet but sure as hell beats nothing.

Snestorm 01-18-10 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1239340)
I meant the C-130 Hercules. :salute:

Oh! My knowledge on aircraft is about zero.

I was thinking about the giant helicopters that can be used to offload containerships, but have no idé what they are called.

SteamWake 01-18-10 05:22 PM

Skycrane ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-64_Skycrane

Though there a lot of varients. :rock:

One catch would be you have to get that honkin thing on the island to begin with. That in itself is no small matter. :D

Oh and the DC3's while one of my all time favorite aircraft its cargo capacity is woefully inadaguitte by todays standards.


On a curious side note from personal experience... a large proportion of stolen heavy equipment from the Miami area went straight to Haiti in cargo containers in the 80's. The introduction of the lojack helped stemed the tide a bit.

Also i remember seeing container ships bound for Haiti stacked with bicycles 20' high. Assuredly each and every last one of them were stolen at some point.


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