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When you take a step back and really look at it all, it boggles your mind doesn't it? It troubles me to think that such great amounts of knowledge ARE available for us to discover, but we don't have the ability to discover them; it's a teasing sensation.
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to answer real questions. There are many magical beasts/people/places/objects that have been used to explain the world we find our selves in that all seam as outlandish as the chocolate unicorn. As for god being a 'very logical' answer...well, yes and no. Ideas about god/gods predate ideas about logic and rationality by a long time. So god was never a logical answer so much as a natural answer born of the way we understand the world through anthromorphization. In many ways god is the universe: anthromorphised. |
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I've been recently revisiting Einstein's theory General Relativity. Setting the freakishly impossible math aside (Einstein himself employed mathemeticians to help with the equations), I think people don't truly grasp the enormity of it all. Just the distances neccessary to calculate gravitational pulls are tremendous. Here we are in tiny little corner of the Milky Way, one star amongst billions. Our galaxy just one amongst billions. And we can hardly make it to our moon. It's enough to make anyone feel insignificant. I feel that teasing sensation. Everytime I hear about the discovery of another planet, I wonder what it looks like. I wonder if the light speed barrier will ever be broken, knowing that it won't happen in my lifetime. It's so easy to imagine the grandeur waiting for us out there, so I find it so hard to accept that we'll probably never know it. A little depressing, I guess. But hey, at least there still are some mysteries left. |
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Sure, mystical beasts of all different kinds were used to explain all different things in times predating logic. But we must look at what was being explained. At those times, rain itself was a mystery. Why did the sky turn dark at night? In those contexts, the Chocolate Unicorn could very well circle the sun. Fast forward to now, we know the the Chocolate Unicorn would melt. We know what causes the rain. We understand why day turns into night. Moreso, we've just begun to grasp the basics of Everything. But, there are some things we just don't get. One example (that personally troubles me) is the nature of life itself. Evolution is a FACT. Science has shown time and time again that life has evolved to survive and thrive in its environment. However, what science has yet to explain is WHY does this nature occur? I find it to be quite similar to Newton's model of gravity. His observations are quite accurate and even NASA still uses his physics today. However, Newton himself had no idea WHY gravity occurred. It wasn't until Einstein that we started to get an idea. I don't doubt that we'll someday understand what governs the behavior of life itself. But, until then, I can't rule out the possibility of God. Even if I don't really believe it to be true. |
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As I understand it the argument runs as follows: 1) God is infinitely complex 2) The universe is finitely complex 3) Therefor god is more complex than the universe 4) Before the occurrence of a god or of a universe, entropy was higher than the state after the occurrence of a god or a universe. 5) More complex things are in lower entropy states than less complex things 6) Changes from high entropy to low entropy are less likely the larger the change 7) Therefore the occurrence of a god is less likely than the occurrence of a universe 4 bothers me. I agree that universes must spring from high entropy states, but most deists tend to claim that god is infinatly old. If this is the case then there can never have been a entropy state higher than the one in which he/she/it is present. More broadly, the idea that complexity is related to entropic likelihood bothers me. That is the same fallacy that lead to the idea of the Boltzmann brain. It is flawed because it is perfectly possible to have a low complexity system that has lower entropy than a highly complex system. Complexity is not something that can be objectively judged. |
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possible to show that a infinite volume containing an infinite mass is not infinatly dense. The reason for this is that one infinite value can be bigger than another infinite value. That can be a little hard to understand at first. Try to imaging a ruler that extends across an infinite length. Every 1m there is a green ball and every 100m there is a red ball. There is therefore an infinite number of red and green balls. However there are 100 times more green balls than there are red. You will always find 100 green balls for every red you find, but you will find an infinite number of both kinds of ball. The fact that you find an infinite number of both types of ball does not change the fact that there are 100 green to every red. An infinite volume containing an infinite mass does not have an infinite density because the infinite volume value is not the same as the infinite mass value. *edit* I have been looking up the maths again and it gave me a painful reminder of what a bitch it is to use in practice. Also, apologies for the double post. *edit2* Quote:
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So I thought you'd all like to see a picture I took this weekend of Jesus placed in a ZipLock sandwich bag and stapled to a telephone pole. http://i43.tinypic.com/vxn1fs.jpg Ironically, this is pretty similar to how the original Jesus died. |
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Man wrestles with the problem of moving at the speed of light in order to reach "Somewhere" else in the universe and concedes without speed of light travel it will fail...youll never make it to even the closest star in a lifetime...quit thinking so small. Travel need not be in physcial form as we know it and as far as all science figures it can't be....maybe there is something to this spiritual stuff after all huH? Wow a new concept? Amen! Merry Christmas! Grain of a mustard seed Stealth...grain of a mustard seed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Ipb8-CLDM |
You know Subman.. I tried. I honestly tried to read that huge sack of steamy bull turds but the smell was too much. I know you peddle in such Subman but how smelly can you get?
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John 10 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 19 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. 33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: 34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. |
I stand corrected.
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Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving...
...and revolving at 900 miles an hour That's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned... a sun that is the source of all our power The sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see Are moving at a million miles a day In an outer spiral-arm, at 40,000 miles an hour... Of the galaxy we call the Milky Way Our galaxy itself contains a hundred-billion stars It's a hundred-thousand light-years side to side It bulges in the middle, 16-thousand light years thick but out by us it's just 3-thousand light years wide We're 30-thousand light years from galactic central point we go round every two-hundred-million years And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions In this amazing and expanding universe The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding In all of the directions it can whizz As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know 12-million miles-a-minute, and that's the fastest speed there is So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure How amazingly unlikely is your birth And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cos there's bugger-all down here on Earth |
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