Originally Posted by John Channing

I certainly hope not. Remember how he ended up :D .

JCC

Originally Posted by maerean_m

Let us suppose you work for 3-4 month, non stop, including all Saturdays and Sundays. Every month has 170 working hours and yet they make squeeze another 90 (ninety) extra hours every month. You barely get to see you girlfriend\wife, let alone your parents. And what if you were the lucky guy that only worked 9h/day and others, like the Lead Designer, had to work until midnight (in many days) to get those subs working.

Let us suppose your colleagues are incredibly good professionals but the team is not left in peace to work its magic and the results are called SH4 v1.0 . If SH4 was a console game, there wouldn't have been any patch, including 1.1 . I dare you play SH4 out of the box.

After that, the team is scattered, working on other various projects and very few are left to work and create patch 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3. Imagine the quality of the work done inside SH4 if only a couple of the team members could get it to the 1.3 state in such a short time. It means the project was almost there, it just wasn't allowed to be completed.

In the end, let us suppose that you begin to see the bosses coming to work in brand new, incredibly expensive cars, even though no dev team member received any bonus money.

After 4 months of continuous work, you are so tired you're getting physically ill.

So I'm wondering, what do you actually mean by "MY company"? I'm just one of the 3000 working-ants there. I work to earn a living, I'm not their bought out slave, the way you seem to think.

I come here, among friends, to talk about the game we all love and play in our spare time (including mine). And maybe improving the game, using the tools each one of us has. So the game gets in a state in which I can read the posts here and be proud about Silent Hunter 4. Imagine how the dev team felt when they were presented with the dvd containing SH4 v1.0 and they read the posts here .

Thankfuly, Subsim is not "Ubi forums". If you want an official opinion about SH4, you go there and talk to the support team guys (that we didn't meet and don't even know in what country they're located in).

I'm not trying to hurt anybody, all I'm talking about is being allowed to be proud about my work. Doesn't everybody?

Edit:

Did you know that SH4 team never got the time to actually play the game (like stop working and play it for a month (or a week, or a day)) ? Only the testers did play it, but they only report bugs they understand, because they don't play Silent Hunter the way you do. They didn't notice the stadimeter was buged when using imperial units (you guys were the only ones that reported it).



So, What the **** is wrong with people?

Originally Posted by Zepheron

I'm spartacus

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Read it and understand it, folks. But for the dedication of the Devs on this project, you would have Silent Hunter 4 (1.1) to play with. And you could mod that until hell freezes over and not have a playable game.

We have SH4 1.3 because of people like elanaiba and maerean_m. That's why people like John and myself are often referred to as 'fanboys'. You bet your ass I'm a fan of these guys. For 11 months, they worked twice as hard as most of us ever will, in order to produce a video game that they are happy to put their names to.

With SH4 1.3, they should be very proud.

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

@heartc

You would rather kill yourself than read something....mmmm...and tell me, should we start burning books as well ? Have you ever read any of Chomski's work or are you just nodding in agreement with the nay sayers regardless ?

How can you possible have an oppinion on the person's work if you haven't read any of his work ? God it must be terrible to just do what people tell you to do, how is that working out for you ? Do you have any "free thought" ? Are you free, or is someone forcing you to write your posts ?

The mind, quite truely, boggles :nope:

Originally Posted by molasar

in my opinion sh4 is a pretty fine piece of code, and however author of this Thread might be right in the economic aspect of accepting and buying products, I think that problem with enjoyment from playing sh4 comes from different direction. it's not that this game sucks because it's not finished or something like that, my feeling is that most players (sub sims fans) has grown in age, and have troubles with activating imagination during playing sessions. it seems to be natural. remember the time when we used to play silent service, or later, aces of the deep? there were this unrepeatable feelings of realism and atmosphere. was it because of realism?I don't think so. i mean that games were in some ways realistic-of course, but there is no comparision to sh3 or sh4- sh3 and sh4 are way better simulating that specific submarine "thing". what i'm saying is, try to think what would be your reaction if you have had sh3 or 4 these "silent service" days?would you complain that it's not finished, that there is no periscope animation and the crew is half transparent?

of course, crew IS half transparent, animated periscope?sure! but for me- most important is having incredible tension during night convoy attacs, sending torpedoes and hearing hits! then long evasion manouvers trying to escape escorts, and finaly satisfaction from tonage i've sent down.

And that is it !

come on people! game is a game- it requires you to to use your imagination to fill up gaps and stuff. you'll never be a real wwII submarine commander,so you better relax a bit and don't become a "young american consumer" [no offence ;;)]

if you lose your imagination, you will also lost your passion!watch out for that!

Originally Posted by Mickle

I'm spatacus!

Originally Posted by joea

Ok Scrapser has every right to post and seems pretty on the ball, but I don't get what he thinks is wrong specificaly with SH4 now?

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I think 'The Peter Principle' applies.

"In any given hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence."