There may be no sensible way to enforce it but it wouldnt hurt to have a set of agreed principles we can all abide by
Especially helpfull for new modders

Wouldnt go amiss in the SH4 forum as well

Jim,

Look at my previous post (#114 in this thread): Subsim forum moderation powers are IMO not meant to be used as tools for enforcing modder rules.:nope:

Agreed
So lets just draw up a list of agreed ideas and move along

And like Jimbuna said, it has been done before. ;)

Yes, but in an exceptional circumstance. I strongly feel that it should never become standard policy. This is dangerous to future mod development, and community stability, and would, as such, be contrary to the aims of this set of rules.

That's not to say, of course, that there's no overlap between basic forum behaviour rules and modding ethics. Or the fact that someone caught doing something that goes against all possible sorts of ethics shouldn't be disciplined. :hmm:

There we have it - the wolf finally showed his colours...


Look mate - you can create all your rules, make an ethics thread and whatever game you want to play - the point is:

People don't have to log on to view anything they like here - do you really think that somebody like me goes through the trouble and asking questions in order to learn something (and mostly get fopped off) comes along to steal your precious little mod? What would I want with it? I have my own ideas how to play the game and there is nothing that your mod offers me. Hell, I almost like it as little as I like the way you (and your posse) talk down on people. The only reason I got involved in this discussion (even with constructive suggestion but you were to busy shooting people down to notice that some of your opponents actually try to get this over with) is simply because I am fed up with meeting people like you everywhere I go that like to take charge and rule over other people. Read the first sentence again - this is a public, open forum! People don't even have to log on to see the threads and can take what they like!

Get real - you think that those people you want to protect yourself against even bother to read your rules and ethics? Even if they did, they just smile and do it for the heck of it. I like to wager that some of those are now inspired to go and get a piece of the code before it goes underground - and that is where you should put it if you want to protect it.

Those modders with morals and ethics don't need a set of rules - and those that do won't bother with them. Look at MS (a company I worked for for many, many years). They spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to protect their work - with little result. The more they try, the more of a target they have become...

You know, some people see the copying of their work as flattery - everybody knows who is behind GWX (there isn't a single forum where your mod isn't discussed and praised, and believe me, I tried to find one) and most of the other big Mods, and most forums are crediting you for passing on a link to your sites alone - you won't see them stealing your work. Those that actively participate aren't the thread here - it's those lurking in the background that you want to get and they laugh themselves silly how we dig into each other instead of trying to live (and work) with one another. I am all for talks - where people talk and compromise that is, not where individuals are attacked by passers by that don't have anything else to contribute but to throw flamables onto the fire...


it is actually - since you are suggesting to suspend my right to say what I think (and others like me) and are guilty of character execution!

You can get away with calling me a leech (though I shared on this forum just the same), calling me a noob (your kind is at home at nearly all the forums these days so we get used to it), ridiculing me for my critique (some people just can't accept that their work isn't loved by everyone) and verbally abuse me ('cause I know you wouldn't do it to my face without ending up on a drip) - but I'd be damned if I let you come along and stand by as you (or anybody else) demand that my freedom to speak my mind is taken away! You need to wake up and smell the roses, friend - you are in the real world here, not in your game where you throw around commands and can get rid of anybody that thinks different or suspend their rights and liberties. Last I checked this was a public forum - I suggest you go and make your own little place where you can have all your friends around you and nobody that thinks differently...

And stop seeing this as a personal vendetta of mine - I don't even know you!

Not by me:stare: I am not willing to use moderator privileges for such things (And only Neal can change that policy), and whatever happened in the past, remains in the past. In the latest times, this forum has been a mature, calm and enjoyable place though I know it wasn't so many times in the past. I wellcomed the discussion about a voluntary ethics code, I did not wellcome personal attacks or attempts to solve old personal disputes publically, and I will not wellcome suggestions to use moderator powers to enforce matters that IMO are not to be settled by the forum staff. Whatever pending disputes there are from the past between some people here, don't count on me to settle them by giving ammunition to one of the sides implicated.

Unless Neal tells me otherwise, that will be my policy as moderator of this forum.

As bigboywooly said, moving along and extracting something positive is the best thing.

Right, and I thought we learned something from previous conflicts. As you might recall, Neal and moderators did get involved in various mod conflicts, but not as enforcers [of anything but forum policy], rather just to help talk through the issues and try to settle things out. In extreme cases, it was the higher-level administration (usually the Onkel himself) would only take action. Let's not take the exceptions as precedent for a policy though.

Likewise, I don't believe in enforcement of codes like this. What's more, I don't believe in a permission-based modding culture, so I have no intention to be involved in creating or supporting one.

:nope:

I'd appreciat if you quote me in context:
sounds completely different now, doesn't it? Course you can stand there and judge, but when it comes to it things are different (I like to see you being called names and being slandered and have annonymous posts made on your web blog threatening to get you off this board) - some are just more open about it... ;)

And overall has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, just a hint that verbal abuse is actually against the rules... Though it proves my point that the real points raised by certain individuals are ignored for the one bit that can be twisted against them. Thank you for that...

I believe which ever way you quote it its a personal threat

Mind you it wont be you that gets a kicking for posting it but someone else

:roll:

Violence is not the answer Spytrx. Why threaten it in response to verbal abuse? I have been called dreadful names but not hit people for it. You start typing things like that, people will see you as a thug with a keyboard, then your points of view will lose all cred.

No country's constitution protects your right to express yourself in privately owned Internet forums.

I really would not mind if people were kicked from the forum or otherwise disiplined for using work without permission. It is, even if people do not realize it, a rather serious no-no. Ultimately, of course, this is up to Neal to decide, and I can do no more than voice my opinion.

...no:shifty:.

Who has threatened?
I said that these people that use the kind of language wouldn't dare do it if they were to discuss these things face to face with me. I meant that people feel save behind their screen and just dig into people because they feel safe - something they wouldn't do in r/l (heck, I am German trying to construct a sentence in a foreign language here - try reading it as it is without reading things into it?)

I do not believe in violence - I teach Aikido and Ju-Jitsu and would condemn any act of unprovoked attack on a weaker person or just to get a point across not only by my students.

If you read the sentence it should tell you that I put up with the verbal stuff because I know they wouldn't do it to my face (just behind the screen where they are safe)


But again - thank you all for ignoring the valuable stuff and just going for someting lost in translation and reading things into stuff...

Why don't you just tell me (and the others that have a different view) to buzz off


and who was talking about any country's constitution?? Where do you get this stuff from???
I am talking about my individual rights as a member of this board - as long as I follow the rules I have the right to stand my point of view - or are you denying me that? :)


Funny thing that - all the people with GWX in their signature are out to shoot a me... :)