Well if you or anyone want to plough through a dozen plus test dumps ( about 50) - be my guest . I can place them on YouSendIt ?

Some of my earlier findings on other issues certainly did'nt seem to make sense to me - but they seemed to catch your attention, eventualy. :hmm:

Let me recap - the Test scenarios were created in 3.072 and took place in deep waters central Med, rock bottom, January, surface duct. SSP - a very gentle isovelocity over negative gradient with the layer well below the depth of all the participating subs.

Which findings do you challenge - the Kilo SA enhanced bug or the Akula TA boost ?

The kilo issue is documented.

The Akula "TA Boost" is non-existent. Look in the database... I'm not sure what else to say other than that.

Here is the text dump of the relevant sensor dialogues.

Index 0050
Name SSN21 TB29
Mast 0007 (SSN21 Stbd TA)
SensorClass 0007 (Passive Sonar)
CounterDetectSensor 0000 (None)
UpdateInterval 0001
DetectionCurveRange1 120000
DetectionCurveRange2 0000
DetectionCurveRange3 0000
DetectionCurveRange4 0000
DetectionCurveRange5 0000
DetectionCurveRange6 0000
DetectionCurveLevel1 0000
DetectionCurveLevel2 0000
DetectionCurveLevel3 0000
DetectionCurveLevel4 0000
DetectionCurveLevel5 0000
DetectionCurveLevel6 0000
MaxOperationSpeed 0020
MaxOperationAlt 0000
MinOperationAlt -3000
SonarFreqMin 0000
SonarFreqMax 1200
SNR -012
sNumTrackers 0004
sConeRotAxisZ 0105
sConeRotAxisY 0000
sConeRotAxisX 0000
sConeAngleXZ 0000
sConeAngleXY 0076
nRptAccuracy 0002
nMaxDetectionAlt 0000
nMinDetectionAlt -3000
fData60 0.00
fPosX 0.00
fPosY 0.00
fPosZ 0.00
fMinBeamWidth 1.00
fMaxBeamWidth 15.19
cRootTracker I
cSierraPrefix S
<SensorAttrib>
AFFECTEDBYRANGE 1
THERMALLAYER 1
SEASTATE 1
AFFECTEDBYASPECT 0
TARGETMASS 0
TARGETNOISE 1
PLATFORMNOISE 1
AFFECTEDBYGROUNDNOISE 0
EARTHCURVATURE 0
AMBIENTLIGHT 0
UNKNOWN1024 0
MIRROR 1
DOUBLESIDEDCONE 1
RPT_TGTBEARING 1
RPT_TGTRANGE 0
RPT_TGTCRS 0
RPT_TGTSPD 0
RPT_TGTALT 0
RPT_TGTFREQ 1
RPT_TGT003 1
</SensorAttrib>
szDisplayName TB-29
--------------------------------


Index 0006
Name 688I TB16
Mast 0021 (688I Port TA)
SensorClass 0007 (Passive Sonar)
CounterDetectSensor 0000 (None)
UpdateInterval 0001
DetectionCurveRange1 120000
DetectionCurveRange2 0000
DetectionCurveRange3 0000
DetectionCurveRange4 0000
DetectionCurveRange5 0000
DetectionCurveRange6 0000
DetectionCurveLevel1 0000
DetectionCurveLevel2 0000
DetectionCurveLevel3 0000
DetectionCurveLevel4 0000
DetectionCurveLevel5 0000
DetectionCurveLevel6 0000
MaxOperationSpeed 0023
MaxOperationAlt 0000
MinOperationAlt -3000
SonarFreqMin 0000
SonarFreqMax 1200
SNR -008
sNumTrackers 0004
sConeRotAxisZ 0105
sConeRotAxisY 0000
sConeRotAxisX 0000
sConeAngleXZ 0000
sConeAngleXY 0076
nRptAccuracy 0002
nMaxDetectionAlt 0000
nMinDetectionAlt -3000
fData60 0.00
fPosX 0.00
fPosY 0.00
fPosZ 0.00
fMinBeamWidth 1.00
fMaxBeamWidth 15.19
cRootTracker I
cSierraPrefix S
<SensorAttrib>
AFFECTEDBYRANGE 1
THERMALLAYER 1
SEASTATE 1
AFFECTEDBYASPECT 0
TARGETMASS 0
TARGETNOISE 1
PLATFORMNOISE 1
AFFECTEDBYGROUNDNOISE 0
EARTHCURVATURE 0
AMBIENTLIGHT 0
UNKNOWN1024 0
MIRROR 1
DOUBLESIDEDCONE 1
RPT_TGTBEARING 1
RPT_TGTRANGE 0
RPT_TGTCRS 0
RPT_TGTSPD 0
RPT_TGTALT 0
RPT_TGTFREQ 1
RPT_TGT003 1
</SensorAttrib>
szDisplayName TB-16
--------------------------------

Index 0014
Name Akula Towed
Mast 0009 (Akula TA)
SensorClass 0007 (Passive Sonar)
CounterDetectSensor 0000 (None)
UpdateInterval 0001
DetectionCurveRange1 120000
DetectionCurveRange2 0000
DetectionCurveRange3 0000
DetectionCurveRange4 0000
DetectionCurveRange5 0000
DetectionCurveRange6 0000
DetectionCurveLevel1 0000
DetectionCurveLevel2 0000
DetectionCurveLevel3 0000
DetectionCurveLevel4 0000
DetectionCurveLevel5 0000
DetectionCurveLevel6 0000
MaxOperationSpeed 0010
MaxOperationAlt 0000
MinOperationAlt -3000
SonarFreqMin 0000
SonarFreqMax 1200
SNR -008
sNumTrackers 0004
sConeRotAxisZ 0105
sConeRotAxisY 0000
sConeRotAxisX 0000
sConeAngleXZ 0000
sConeAngleXY 0076
nRptAccuracy 0002
nMaxDetectionAlt 0000
nMinDetectionAlt -3000
fData60 0.00
fPosX 0.00
fPosY 0.00
fPosZ 0.00
fMinBeamWidth 1.00
fMaxBeamWidth 15.19
cRootTracker I
cSierraPrefix S
<SensorAttrib>
AFFECTEDBYRANGE 1
THERMALLAYER 1
SEASTATE 1
AFFECTEDBYASPECT 0
TARGETMASS 0
TARGETNOISE 1
PLATFORMNOISE 1
AFFECTEDBYGROUNDNOISE 0
EARTHCURVATURE 0
AMBIENTLIGHT 0
UNKNOWN1024 0
MIRROR 1
DOUBLESIDEDCONE 1
RPT_TGTBEARING 1
RPT_TGTRANGE 0
RPT_TGTCRS 0
RPT_TGTSPD 0
RPT_TGTALT 0
RPT_TGTFREQ 1
RPT_TGT003 1
</SensorAttrib>
szDisplayName Pelamida
--------------------------------

Here is a text dump of the relevant Object dialogues

sID 0367
sMaxSpeed 0035
sMinSpeed 0000
sClimbAngle 0030
sArmorDamage 0120
sData0A 0005
sUnusedSL 0000
sActiveSonarSL 0075
sActiveInterceptSL 0000
sESMSL 0000
sVisualSL 0008
sMADSL 0066
sInfraRedSL 0066
sPassivSonarSL 0059
sRadarSL 0040
sFCRadarSL 0040
sIFFSL 0000
sCMSL 0000
sJammerSL 0000
sLauncherID[00] 0920 (Imp Akula TubesS1)
sLauncherID[01] 0919 (Imp Akula TubesP2)
sLauncherID[02] 1119 (Imp Akula TubesS3)
sLauncherID[03] 1118 (Imp Akula TubesP4)
sLauncherID[04] 1121 (Imp Akula TubesS5)
sLauncherID[05] 1120 (Imp Akula TubesP6)
sLauncherID[06] 1123 (Imp Akula TubesS7)
sLauncherID[07] 1122 (Imp Akula TubesP8)
sLauncherID[08] 0922 (Imp Ak Ext TubesS1)
sLauncherID[09] 0921 (Imp Ak Ext TubesP2)
sLauncherID[10] 1125 (Imp Ak Ext TubesS3)
sLauncherID[11] 1124 (Imp Ak Ext TubesP4)
sLauncherID[12] 1127 (Imp Ak Ext TubesS5)
sLauncherID[13] 1126 (Imp Ak Ext TubesP6)
sLauncherID[14] 0148 (Akula Portable SAM)
sLauncherID[15] 0944 (AkulaCM_Int)
sLauncherID[16] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[17] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[18] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[19] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[20] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[21] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[22] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[23] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[24] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[25] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[26] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[27] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[28] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[29] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[00] 0131 (AkulaIDSRV)
sAirstripID[01] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[02] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[03] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[04] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[05] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[06] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[07] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[08] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[09] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sSensorID[00] 0009 (Akula MF Active)
sSensorID[01] 0061 (Active Intercept)
sSensorID[02] 0013 (Akula Sphere)
sSensorID[03] 0010 (Akula ESM)
sSensorID[04] 0072 (Visual)
sSensorID[05] 0123 (MRK-50(akula))
sSensorID[06] 0056 (HF Act Son)
sSensorID[07] 0012 (Akula Hull)
sSensorID[08] 0014 (Akula Towed)
sSensorID[09] 0011 (Akula PeriESM)
sSensorID[10] 0350 (Akula SailESM)
sSensorID[11] 0039 (AI Passive S1 Sphere)
sSensorID[12] 0359 (AI Passive S1 TA)
sSensorID[13] 0053 (AI PassiveSW1W2TAD )
sSensorID[14] 0052 (AI Passive S1 Hull)
sProfileID 0161 (Akula I Impr SSN)
s3DObjectIndex -001
sThrustID[00] 0044 (Akula SSN +23)
sThrustID[01] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[02] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[03] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[04] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
TargetCaps_SUB 0
TargetCaps_SURF 0
TargetCaps_AIR 0
TargetCaps_HELO 0
TargetCaps_LAND 0
TargetCaps_MINE 0
TargetCaps_TORPEDO 0
TargetCaps_MISSILE 0
MC_AAM 0
MC_ASM 0
MC_SSM 0
MC_SAM 0
MC_TANKER 0
MC_TERRAIN_FOLLOW 0
MC_GUIDED 0
MC_THROWN 0
MC_REFUELABLE 0
MC_FEEDBACK 0
MC_PRELOCK 0
MC_SMOKELESS 0
MC_REATTACK 0
MC_REMOTE 0
MC_SNAPSHOT 0
MC_BALLISTIC 0
sData106 0000
fMastHeightx10 07.7
fLengthx10 110.6
fWidthx10 15.5
fDraftx10 09.4
fcd 00.4
fMass 0000
fTurnRadius 500.0
ObjectType 0001 (Sub)
SimType 0000 (Sub)
nWpnMaxRange 0
nWireLength 0
nWpnMinRange 0
nFfuel 0
nPointValue 0750
nMaxAltitude 000000
nMinAltitude -00569
szName Akula I Impr SSN
szAmbientSound sub_nuke
szBBsoundFile BB_sub_nuke.wav
szDoctrine SubDef
cMisASW 1
cMisSUW 2
cMisAAW 6
cMisStrike 2
cMisRecon 3
cMisComms 0
cMisMineSweepBomber 0
cWpnEffectiveness 0
cBuoyCount 0
CM_CHAFF 0
CM_IR_FLARES 0
CM_ACOUSTICS 1
CM_TOWED_ACOUSTICS 0
CM_ECM_JAMMER 0
CM_CIWS 0
DBUser_VAL1 0
DBUser_VAL2 0
DBUser_VAL3 0
DBUser_VAL4 0
DBUser_VAL5 0
DBUser_VAL6 0
DBUser_VAL7 0
DBUser_VAL8 0
DBUser2Flags(BYTE VAL) 000


sID 0002
sMaxSpeed 0033
sMinSpeed 0000
sClimbAngle 0015
sArmorDamage 0110
sData0A 0005
sUnusedSL 0000
sActiveSonarSL 0075
sActiveInterceptSL 0000
sESMSL 0000
sVisualSL 0008
sMADSL 0062
sInfraRedSL 0062
sPassivSonarSL 0058
sRadarSL 0040
sFCRadarSL 0040
sIFFSL 0000
sCMSL 0000
sJammerSL 0000
sLauncherID[00] 0003 (LA SSNI MidtubesP2)
sLauncherID[01] 0004 (LA SSNI MidtubesS1)
sLauncherID[02] 1106 (LA SSNI MidtubesP4)
sLauncherID[03] 1107 (LA SSNI MidtubesS3)
sLauncherID[04] 0946 (LA SSNI VLS S5)
sLauncherID[05] 0005 (LA SSNI VLS P6)
sLauncherID[06] 1108 (LA SSNI VLS S7)
sLauncherID[07] 1113 (LA SSNI VLS P8)
sLauncherID[08] 1109 (LA SSNI VLS S9)
sLauncherID[09] 1114 (LA SSNI VLS P10)
sLauncherID[10] 1110 (LA SSNI VLS S11)
sLauncherID[11] 1115 (LA SSNI VLS P12)
sLauncherID[12] 1111 (LA SSNI VLS S13)
sLauncherID[13] 1116 (LA SSNI VLS P14)
sLauncherID[14] 1112 (LA SSNI VLS S15)
sLauncherID[15] 1117 (LA SSNI VLS P16)
sLauncherID[16] 0945 (688CM_Int)
sLauncherID[17] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[18] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[19] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[20] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[21] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[22] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[23] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[24] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[25] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[26] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[27] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[28] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[29] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[00] 0130 (688IDSRV)
sAirstripID[01] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[02] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[03] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[04] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[05] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[06] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[07] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[08] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[09] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sSensorID[00] 0001 (688I MF Active)
sSensorID[01] 0354 (AN/WYL-1)
sSensorID[02] 0005 (688I Sphere)
sSensorID[03] 0002 (688I ESM)
sSensorID[04] 0072 (Visual)
sSensorID[05] 0108 (AN/BPS-15)
sSensorID[06] 0056 (HF Act Son)
sSensorID[07] 0004 (688I Hull)
sSensorID[08] 0006 (688I TB16)
sSensorID[09] 0003 (688I PeriESM)
sSensorID[10] 0007 (688I TB23)
sSensorID[11] 0352 (688I SailESM)
sSensorID[12] 0428 (AI 688i TA)
sSensorID[13] 0429 (AI 688i TAD)
sSensorID[14] 0008 (AI Passive W1 Sphere)
sProfileID 0002 (Improved LA SSN)
s3DObjectIndex -001
sThrustID[00] 0043 (688i SSN +16)
sThrustID[01] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[02] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[03] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[04] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
TargetCaps_SUB 0
TargetCaps_SURF 0
TargetCaps_AIR 0
TargetCaps_HELO 0
TargetCaps_LAND 0
TargetCaps_MINE 0
TargetCaps_TORPEDO 0
TargetCaps_MISSILE 0
MC_AAM 0
MC_ASM 0
MC_SSM 0
MC_SAM 0
MC_TANKER 0
MC_TERRAIN_FOLLOW 0
MC_GUIDED 0
MC_THROWN 0
MC_REFUELABLE 0
MC_FEEDBACK 0
MC_PRELOCK 0
MC_SMOKELESS 0
MC_REATTACK 0
MC_REMOTE 0
MC_SNAPSHOT 0
MC_BALLISTIC 0
sData106 0000
fMastHeightx10 06.7
fLengthx10 109.5
fWidthx10 15.8
fDraftx10 09.8
fcd 00.4
fMass 0000
fTurnRadius 600.0
ObjectType 0001 (Sub)
SimType 0000 (Sub)
nWpnMaxRange 0
nWireLength 0
nWpnMinRange 0
nFfuel 0
nPointValue 1000
nMaxAltitude 000000
nMinAltitude -00492
szName Improved LA SSN
szAmbientSound sub_nuke
szBBsoundFile BB_sub_nuke.wav
szDoctrine SubDef
cMisASW 1
cMisSUW 1
cMisAAW 0
cMisStrike 1
cMisRecon 2
cMisComms 0
cMisMineSweepBomber 0
cWpnEffectiveness 0
cBuoyCount 0
CM_CHAFF 0
CM_IR_FLARES 0
CM_ACOUSTICS 1
CM_TOWED_ACOUSTICS 0
CM_ECM_JAMMER 0
CM_CIWS 0
DBUser_VAL1 0
DBUser_VAL2 0
DBUser_VAL3 0
DBUser_VAL4 0
DBUser_VAL5 0
DBUser_VAL6 0
DBUser_VAL7 0
DBUser_VAL8 0
DBUser2Flags(BYTE VAL) 000


sID 0003
sMaxSpeed 0038
sMinSpeed 0000
sClimbAngle 0015
sArmorDamage 0120
sData0A 0005
sUnusedSL 0000
sActiveSonarSL 0074
sActiveInterceptSL 0000
sESMSL 0000
sVisualSL 0008
sMADSL 0057
sInfraRedSL 0057
sPassivSonarSL 0055
sRadarSL 0040
sFCRadarSL 0040
sIFFSL 0000
sCMSL 0000
sJammerSL 0000
sLauncherID[00] 0006 (SeaWolf Midtubes P2)
sLauncherID[01] 0007 (SeaWolf Midtubes S1)
sLauncherID[02] 1060 (SeaWolf Midtubes P4)
sLauncherID[03] 1061 (SeaWolf Midtubes S3)
sLauncherID[04] 1062 (SeaWolf Midtubes P6)
sLauncherID[05] 1063 (SeaWolf Midtubes S5)
sLauncherID[06] 1064 (SeaWolf Midtubes P8)
sLauncherID[07] 1065 (SeaWolf Midtubes S7)
sLauncherID[08] 0940 (CM_Internal)
sLauncherID[09] 0941 (CM_External)
sLauncherID[10] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[11] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[12] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[13] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[14] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[15] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[16] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[17] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[18] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[19] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[20] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[21] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[22] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[23] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[24] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[25] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[26] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[27] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[28] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sLauncherID[29] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[00] 0129 (SSN21DSRV)
sAirstripID[01] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[02] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[03] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[04] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[05] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[06] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[07] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[08] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sAirstripID[09] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sSensorID[00] 0044 (SSN21 MF Active)
sSensorID[01] 0355 (AN/WLR-9)
sSensorID[02] 0048 (SSN21 Sphere)
sSensorID[03] 0045 (SSN21 ESM)
sSensorID[04] 0072 (Visual)
sSensorID[05] 0109 (AN/BPS-16)
sSensorID[06] 0056 (HF Act Son)
sSensorID[07] 0047 (SSN21 Hull)
sSensorID[08] 0049 (SSN21 TB16)
sSensorID[09] 0046 (SSN21 PeriESM)
sSensorID[10] 0050 (SSN21 TB29)
sSensorID[11] 0051 (SSN21 WA)
sSensorID[12] 0353 (SSN21 SailESM)
sSensorID[13] 0430 (AI SSN21 TA)
sSensorID[14] 0431 (AI SSN21 TAD)
sProfileID 0003 (Sea Wolf SSN)
s3DObjectIndex -001
sThrustID[00] 0030 (Seawolf SSN +18)
sThrustID[01] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[02] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[03] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
sThrustID[04] 0000 (EMPTY SLOT)
TargetCaps_SUB 0
TargetCaps_SURF 0
TargetCaps_AIR 0
TargetCaps_HELO 0
TargetCaps_LAND 0
TargetCaps_MINE 0
TargetCaps_TORPEDO 0
TargetCaps_MISSILE 0
MC_AAM 0
MC_ASM 0
MC_SSM 0
MC_SAM 0
MC_TANKER 0
MC_TERRAIN_FOLLOW 0
MC_GUIDED 0
MC_THROWN 0
MC_REFUELABLE 0
MC_FEEDBACK 0
MC_PRELOCK 0
MC_SMOKELESS 0
MC_REATTACK 0
MC_REMOTE 0
MC_SNAPSHOT 0
MC_BALLISTIC 0
sData106 0000
fMastHeightx10 05.8
fLengthx10 107.8
fWidthx10 15.4
fDraftx10 08.2
fcd 00.4
fMass 0000
fTurnRadius 600.0
ObjectType 0001 (Sub)
SimType 0000 (Sub)
nWpnMaxRange 0
nWireLength 0
nWpnMinRange 0
nFfuel 0
nPointValue 1000
nMaxAltitude 000000
nMinAltitude -00656
szName Sea Wolf SSN
szAmbientSound sub_nuke
szBBsoundFile BB_sub_nuke.wav
szDoctrine SubDef
cMisASW 1
cMisSUW 1
cMisAAW 0
cMisStrike 1
cMisRecon 2
cMisComms 0
cMisMineSweepBomber 0
cWpnEffectiveness 0
cBuoyCount 0
CM_CHAFF 0
CM_IR_FLARES 0
CM_ACOUSTICS 1
CM_TOWED_ACOUSTICS 0
CM_ECM_JAMMER 0
CM_CIWS 0
DBUser_VAL1 0
DBUser_VAL2 0
DBUser_VAL3 0
DBUser_VAL4 0
DBUser_VAL5 0
DBUser_VAL6 0
DBUser_VAL7 0
DBUser_VAL8 0
DBUser2Flags(BYTE VAL) 000

The thrust dialogue doesn't dump, so I'll list the relevant values.

Sound vs Speed increase at Max speed- SW +18, 688i +16, Akula I +23.

So, there, you can see all the data yourself.

There isn't much I can do, other than make the database set... if there is some magical thing in the engine that makes those results you have, then that sucks, but it's out of my control.

I've done what I can do, and I'm done with this line of conversation. It's bloody inane to be debating this when the database IS OPEN SOURCE.

If you find something in the database I ought to change, then I'll seriously look at it.

DWedit, it's free.

Cheers,
David

Phew!! now for the next topic and puttin TAs and SAs aside.

LWAMI v3.08 will be out soon:up:

Mmmm - lets wait and see. :yep:

When the TV technician throws you the wiring diagram and blames your ''magic'' :hmm:

I think we should re-visit the TLAM issue, first. :dead:

(Just kiddin')

So, let me just be perfectly clear... you can't find a single situation on your computer where the SW sonar out performs the Akula sonar?

Because if that's the case, then that is really twisted, and I don't have an explanation and I'm not sure anyone else is having this experience, at least they shouldn't be.

If you want to post your scenario we can all look it at together. :)

Assuming your results are genuine (and I trust you, it's just that things are usually pretty complicated) I have a theory that you might be getting these results from a strong bottom bounce, in which case the TA length and depth at the time of your tests would impact the detection ranges.

A lot goes into detection ranges once the sim is in motion, including bottom terrain and other things like the random layer depths.

I assume since I haven't been bombarded from every quarter that you might be the only one to have found a situation where this is the case.

So two things, can you find a SINGLE situation on your computer where the SW sonar outperforms the Akula, and can you post your scenario?

Cheers,
David

PS Time off has arrived... LWAMI 3.08 will be done in the next day... blame Bellman for the delays. :p :p :p

I offered to post up the info at the top of the page 48 hours ago so the delays are not mine. So not to incur more ''blame Bellman'' for delays, I suggest I ''wait and see'' and then test and post the results of 3.072 v 8.

My contention is first that the Kilo SA 'bug' which SAS claimed to have eliminated at ''excessive ranges'' though latent in 1.04 has returned in 3.072.

Secondly that various changes have altered the balance in the relative performance levels of the Akula v SW TAs. This has been confirmed by running several different scenarios with different SSPs. There is a marked change from Stock 1.04.

RL time does not permit my devoting any more time to this matter until the weekend when I look forward to running the new 8.

But you haven't answered my question... does the SW sonar EVER outperform the Akula sonar on your computer?

Cheers,
David

LW: '' But you haven't answered my question...'' Snap ....except questionS:
You pass no comment on the Kilo bug except that it is ''documented'' But why is it back and why apparently enhanced ?

The answer to your question is in 3.072 at Test 4 kts both AK and SW TAs in various SSPs give (me) about the same max ranges 30- 34 nm. BUT in Stock the SW still achieves an increase of range of 33% plus. 4 knts is a good lurking/detecting speed and so fair to compare both subs at that speed. Quite obviously, it should'nt need saying, the performance of the SW TA has range and receptivity advantages at higher speeds but that is not the issue.

The stand-off capability of the AK lurking at low speed is now enhaced by 3 Mod changes:-
1. Improved Stallion performance.
2. Revised Torp run range performance.
3. Some levelling of the relative sonar performances AK v SW.

I dont particularly quarrel with these changes but item 3 above has to be weighed with 1 & 2. Perhaps this message of the changed 'odds' has carried to the Fleets where it can be seen in sub v sub dive reports an increasing preference for all divers to take the same platform.

:zzz:
Maybe you guys should take this off-line.

You'll have to ask SCS why it's back.
If by "enhanced," you mean that the range at which it works is greater, then it is for the same reason that all sonars are "enhanced." Please try to understand that DB tweaking can change the sensitivities of the sonars, but it cannot change the mechanics of the sonar model, the user interface, or the way the data is displayed.

You're going to need to provide hard data. The fact that you're reporting detection ranges of 30-34nm in ANY SSP for a 4knot SW or Akula tells me you're not actually doing any testing (or you're not using a LW/Ami DB). The fact that your reported det ranges only vary by 4nm for both SSP and sonar sensitivity bolster this conclusion.

Here's some hard data for you:
Default environmental settings (SD SSP)
Both subs in the duct
SW det 4 kt AK-II at 16nm.
AK-II det 4kt SW at 5.6nm.

The SW has nearly triple the Akula's detection range!
I'm not going to bother testing the other SSPs.

If you can give me some hard data on how you're getting those extreme results, I'll try to reproduce it.

Standoff capability requires both the ability to detect/localize and to engage. At least for the SSP I tested above, the SW can not only detect the AK at greater range, but can close to within no-escape range for the ADCAPs without being detected. Considering that a surface duct is where some of the longest det ranges occur, it seems unlikely that the Akula ever has standoff capability against a SW, and it might be the case that the SW always has standoff capability against an Akula (this assumes of course that the captains are keeping their speed down)

1 needs to be balanced against the fact that the -27 ASW was nerfed. The -16, although enhanced in speed, was nerfed in that it's easier to spoof. So 1 doesn't even need counterbalancing.

2: What ASW torpedo has the mod altered the range of? The UGST has the same range as the "65cm" and the ADCAP has the same range as it does in stock.

3. Assuming that your stock data of a 33% advantage going to the Seawolf, the relative performance has become more disparate with the mod, not leveled. (According to the above test, the SW has a 186% edge)

ML thanks for addressing the AK v SW issue.

I will PM you to arrange to send you the relevant scenarios and Test dumps and perhaps you will em me copies of the Database and Doctrine files that you have for LwAmi 3.072.

I cannot believe that my copies have been corrupted in any way. I have a partitioned HD which has separate installations of DW Stock 1.04 and JSGME LwAmi 3.072.(which has only ever been used for LwAmi.) Both installations were carefully made anew on the 28thFeb 07. Each installation has its own registry entry shortcuts and previous entries are deleted before chnging from partition A Stock to partition B LwAmi and vice-versa.

If you wish to see the full Tests I can place them on YouSendIt (free membership available.) The Dumps amount to 500 mb plus but I guess I can edit - your choice !

Heeding Bill Nichols perhaps we should go off-line. If my install was screwed I will be very happy to return later with a full retraction and report of latest test findings.

Solid data from at least one test demonstrating the problem is what this issue really needs now. If you want to get into "bonus materials" after that, that's fine, but let's get a floor before we get to the ceiling.

:D OTW.

Okay, I've run your scenario and I think I have a few insights.

First, the contact detected was not a SW for the AK tests and an AK for the SW tests. In all cases, the target sub was a Victor-III. (Nothing wrong with that--in fact, if the issue is specifically the TA performance rather than relative detection ranges, it is superior--but it's not what I thought you were doing) That explains the extreme detection ranges.

Your method seems a bit odd; you've got several subs thrown around and you seem to record whether or not they are detected, instead of the maximum range detection occurs at. I wanted a single maximum detection range rather than a locus of binary data points. So, I took your scenario and deleted all but the testing sub and one target sub. I drove the testing sub at the target sub until I got a NB signal.

SW detected the Victor at 37nm (and I was a little slow, I think I need to turn my gamma up...)
AK detected the Victor at 31.5nm.

So there you have it... even under your testing conditions, the TB-29 outperforms the Pelamida-II.

Now, where could things have gone wrong? My guess is that the phenomenon we sometimes see in DW where the initial NL of a platform is high for a few seconds after mission start allowed you to tag several victors immediately with the SSAZ display, but many of those signals had faded by the time you found them on the waterfall. Maybe I'll have to ask for method in addition to data in the future...