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Exocet25fr 10-02-21 12:27 PM

"China is sending a political message to the US and UK on her national day: Don't mess around in my area."

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pac...r-defence-zone

mapuc 10-02-21 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Exocet25fr (Post 2771977)
"China is sending a political message to the US and UK on her national day: Don't mess around in my area."

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pac...r-defence-zone

Do they mean, the area they have no right to demand

Markus

Jimbuna 10-02-21 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2771984)
Do they mean, the area they have no right to demand

Markus

Most probably :yep:

Gorpet 10-03-21 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2770413)
No moderator intervention was involved, I presume you were simply 'timed out'

Ok Jim, tks can't set on a butt and get a keyboard with letters that match your fingers.

Buddahaid 10-15-21 03:00 AM

In depth analysis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDy4_ozmnw

Exocet25fr 10-15-21 06:15 AM

AUKUS To Rafale To Nuclear Submarines? France & India Are Perfectly Placed To Forge A Nuke Sub Deal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq5yNJLQtm4

Otto Harkaman 10-15-21 06:45 AM

^ very interesting (AUKUS and the Nuclear Option: the Life and Death of the Attack Class Submarine), I have only gotten to half way in the video and need to take a break to watch the rest.

Kapitan 10-18-21 07:48 AM

Wouldn’t be a bad thing to see india and France forge ahead with a joint SSN program
They have better chance with the French than they do with the US in handling that technology

India already has its own SSN and SSBN programs but this could help them out a lot and be cheaper too

Kapitan 10-21-21 10:30 AM

On another note would anyone want to see Canada involved in an AUKUS or for them to join the current treaty?

Cybermat47 10-21-21 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2768767)
Your last sentence, do you mean this military deal indicates a move away from coal-based power production in civilian industry, too?

Unlikely with our present Prime Minister. Man has a fetish for coal.

I would try to tell him that global warming is making it a lot harder on us firefighters, but he’s too busy vacationing in Hawaii when the nation is on fire.

Skybird 12-10-21 02:06 PM

Australia has decided to abandon 48 European-made Taipan helicopters that it already operates, but is not satisfied with,l the machiens are said to be extremely unreliable and having logged only 50-55% of those flight hours that were planned for them, that high is the rate of tecnical down times for these (new!) helicopters that are licensed by Airbus.

Australia wants to buy 40 Blackhawks instead, saying these are proven, more reliable, and in the long run thus much more cost-efficient than the European helicopters. Critics say the cancelled submarine deal with France also freed funds in the short term that now must be reallocated.

I think it should be clear by now that Australia clearly prioritizes the US over Europe as a partner for the conflict with China. I cannot criticise them for this attitude. If I were Australia, I would not place my money on Europe, too.

Kapitan 12-10-21 02:14 PM

I’m loathed to admit this but I also would y put my money with the European Union it seems they have no back bone what so ever with the exception of the Dutch

The UK I think will be steadfast and support Australia but logistically the USA is a much better logistically suited

Skybird 12-10-21 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan (Post 2782167)
I’m loathed to admit this but I also would y put my money with the European Union it seems they have no back bone what so ever with the exception of the Dutch

The UK I think will be steadfast and support Australia but logistically the USA is a much better logistically suited

When I think of European defence projects, a proverb is on my mind: too many chefs spoil the broth.

Exocet25fr 12-10-21 05:25 PM

Be care !, Many of French people and me clearly prioritizes the USSR over AUKUS as a partner ! :D
We don't trust any more with Anglo-saxons!

Skybird 12-10-21 07:43 PM

And I trust no nation at all. As one of your great leaders put it: "States have no friends - states have interests." That includes France. Macronman has understood that.

But I fear Berlin has not. Or wants not. The new government clearly pushes for a European federal state replacing the EU. National self-dissolving, that is what they want. That way the Germans could finally get rid of what they dispise most: Germany. I did not get the impression that this was welcomed yesterday: neither in Paris nor in Warsaw, and most others will be against it as well. Different to the Germans, people in many other countries still feel their historically grown national identiies. Maybe sometimes still wallowing in echoes of glory of a past that does not reach into contemporary present conditions anymore. And still, it is a strong drive in many people. Especially the French (s I see them). ;) And the Brits (as I see them). Probably also the Spaniards (as I see them). Certainly the Poles (as I see them).


Powerpolitics in Paris and Warsaw, unlimited idealism in Berlin. A toxic constellation that is - for Germany.


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