Its as much possible or impossible as Poland's bid to have US gas tankers landing gas in Danish terminals, together with Norwegian gas, and from there delivering it via pipeline through the Baltic to Poland where it then gets disrtuibuted into the rest of Europe, with Pland beign in control. Its the main reason why the Polish are against the German pipeline - both pipelines are rivals, would even cross each other in the Baltic. Poland wants the transfer fees, and the control. I do not want them to have that. They cost us enough already, and they kill our nerves enough already.

Also, energy is not just linked to "trade" by EU legal terms, but "energy security". Different regulations. Else the European courts would have been called up and intervened. Poland would have had a igh interest to do that, if it saw any chances.

Finally, and that is a bit difficult for Americans to understand since they are so far away - Russia is Europe'S neighbour. Not like with the Aleutan gap in Aaska, but directly, you see: you literally can walk over a border and be in Russia here. We need to get along with them at much closer distance than you do. And any consequences good or bad affect us much more directly than you. :03: And we would prefer being able to avoid building another iron curtain once again.

And in the end they piss us a lot less than Trump has in recent years.:O: I did not hear you demanding that we should boycott you and stop trading and talking to you. Different to Trump, the Russians have always honoured their trade treaties with Europe, have not uniliaterally escalated into conflicts or threatend to cut us short of something.

Thats the bad thing when one allows somebody like Trump hijacking ones own state - one looses the moral high ground, you see.

Anyway, it seems North Stream 2 gets completed, and maybe European capitals have turned more realiostic about what to expect of Biden'S America in the next four years. And even if Biden is more friendly (I think he will be better in manners and tone, but also play America First) - who tells us that in four years Trump or someobdy like him will not come back? The proof of concept has been presented. A Trumpostrophy can happen again, that means - and even worse next time.

We will not trust America again after the past four years, that simple it is. And the US liquified gas still is too bad in quality, and way too expensive. If you really want to sell it to us this desperately, you maybe should have made a far better offer, then you woudl ave fpound more customers. But as it is, "so many" want it that Grmany has stopped plannign for a US gas terminal in Wilhelmshaven. Absolutely zero demand, not a single customer reported interest. Nobody. Too bad quality, too expensive.

And another dealdine has been passed in the Brexit soap. Now it should be Sunday, they say. And I just had an alc-free Erdinger Weissbier. Which statement weighs heavier?

From what I've read Poland sounded the alarm over 15 years ago about Germany and Russia making love again. Your media spends years demonizing Poland as 'far right' then has the audacity to turn around and makes deals with Putin and his East German spies. Once again the Reich and Russia cutting up Poland, a fellow member of the European Union and NATO.

For all the pro-E.U. rhetoric I thought surely Germany would have been interested in strengthening the Union rather tearing it apart for its own nationalist goals. But its OK you just keep blaming the U.S. Doesn't bother me because I know better. Incidentally over here we call Poland a stalwart ally. https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-poland/ The U.K. is an ally too and we owe France a lot as well. Good luck. ;)

[QUOTE=Rockstar;2712633]From what I've read Poland sounded the alarm over 15 years ago about Germany and Russia making love again. /QUOTE]
The plan for project "Baltic Pipe" to bring gas from Norwegian fields via Denmark to Poland dates back to 2001. The plan to add US tanker tem rinals in denmark and link them to this pipeline, so that US gas could unload in Denmark and sent to Poland and from ther ebeign distrubuted across Eastern Europe, later was added.

So go figure. The Poles always play the Nazi or GER-RUS-conspiracy card if they want to trump us. It comes and it goes in regular intervals, like demands for ever more war reparations. We are used to it.

Meanwhile, what the US is really about and has headaches from:

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/new...hale-industry/

https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/08/0...cking-industry

Thats why the US is against Nord Stream 2: its highly invested-into fracking industry is in danger to collapse, and much money going amiss. Try to tell Santa Claus that this is not the real motive, but dont try to tell me.


Next time you need to sell your gas so desperately, don't overprice it by 30-40%, and give it better quality with less levels of toxic pollutions from fracking extraction. Make a better offer. At least, make your offer better than the bid by the Russians. We tried to find new customers for US gas import raises. There was zero demand. We planned to build a terminal for it, as an appeasement offer. But what use is a terminal if there is no demand.



Lousy offers are not competitive. America is capitalist. It should understand that.


Hoooch - this is the UK thread.

Not much to do with each other, has it?

"The populists of Budapest and Warsaw are blackmailing the EU over the rule of law. They cannot be allowed to succeed"

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...could-be-worse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-ri...tics_in_Poland
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...s-rights-and-t
https://borgenproject.org/about-human-rights-in-poland/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...-idUSKCN1TK1DS


In a lot of cases, the EU is the only hope to at least have a bit of influence on a government, from workers' rights to breeching international law and human rights. Trade can also be a means of pressure on dictatorships b.t.w., i guess the good old USA is not a newcomer here, with their hegemonial attitude and admittedly sometimes positive effect on certain countries.

And you can of course call this an unrightful interference into internal affairs of the governing polish PiS "law and order" party, or any other country.
Also, of course, this is the main drive for general anti EU propaganda, the old sods and nationalists do not want younger or enlightened people, to have their century old blunder and disregard for their population exposed.

But i already am aware that you only write this to stir the pot. I'll try to not take the bait anymore :03:

Back OT

No real surprise there then.

What does surprise me is neither side has simply stated there is no point going on with the negotiations.

So, the EU's proposal for fisheries if there is no deal is.....a no change free-for all for another year.....

GET STUFFED!

https://i.postimg.cc/RZcSBWtm/dsfo11h.jpg

And the next relativization. Dominic Raab said that negotiations are only "unlikely" to go beyond Sunday. Before that it was said that Sunday at the latest a decision will be made.



Wishy-washy, how much I hate this. People talking like that to me have a hard time getting along well with me for long. :arrgh!:

However lets not ignore that the PIS is very poluar and was voted with majority of seats in parliament.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_P...ntary_election

This limits the claim that foreign institutions must protect the Polish people from themselves. And different to Trump, Kaczynski's effect on international affairs is very limited. He annoys us, and Poland costs us a lot of money (nobody forces us to play ball with this...), but he cannot do real damage. Trump could, and has.

Let the Polish people sort this out amongst themselves.

^ Oi! you bloody muppets, this is the UK thread, bugger off. :o

^ We are from the EU, we just cannot leave you alone.

I don't blame the EU for trying to get as much out of these Brexit negotiations as they can, they are fighting for their very survival, if the UK prospers outside of the EU it will only be a matter of time before more countries decide that they could do better outside of the EU too.
If anyone's going to blink in the next few days it will be Bozo the clown, getting any deal through parliament is going to be the big stumbling block though and, it could probably be the final nail in the coffin for his Prime Ministership if he backs a bad deal now.

Boris-Johnson-exit-date.
2021 - 13/8 Hmmmm, not good odds, it might be better to have a punt on the next Tory leader, Rishi Sunak at 100/30, Hmmmm, much better. :yep:

"Heute der Thread, morgen die ganze Welt" :O: