~ 20% of the Israeli population are non-Jewish full-rights citizens, "foreigners". Of these, 95% are Arabs, and of these again three quarters are Muslims. As to my best knowledge the Israeli law does not discriminate between Jewish and Arab citizens.


In Muslim countries, Quran and Muslim law mandatorily demand the systematic discrimination against all non-Muslims, namely Christians and Jews. Discrimination is not optional, but obligatory for every Muslim in order to make the unbelievers feel Allah's wrath and punish their depravity. All those who are not only not Muslim but also not Jewish or Christian are basically death candidates, the Quran demands that they "be struck on the neck". Head off, that is.


That Jewish citizens have growing ressentiments against Arab-looking people in general cannot really be a surprise, considering the hostile Arab environment Israel is embedded in.

The Palestinian Arabs are not the indigenous population. ;) The Jewish are. And they never have given up their claim for the land, not once in the entire 3.5 thousand years.

Different to the millenia of Muslim rule, Israel grants "the others" citzenship and equal rights in its law codices, as far as I know. Just not so many of them that Jews become a minority in their own Jewish land, and that is very understandable. Already now every fifth Israeli citizen is not Jewish, is Arab, and the security concerns stemming from this are real, are realistic, and a threat for sure.

You cannot open your place for eahc and everbvyiody, in unlimited numbers, without sooner or later getting disowned. What the UN demands, is totally unrealistic and demands Israel to eradicate itself.

It is biblical in origin and starts with Sarah’s disobedience and distrust of God’s promise to Abraham. When Sarah bade Hagar, the Egyptian, to have a son with Abraham, she lacked trust in God’s promise that she would bear him a son. Abraham’s first son, Ishmael, was blessed by God and gave rise to the Arab people. The prophet Mohammed is a descendant of Ishmael. Abraham’s second son, Isaac, was also blessed by God and gave rise to the Jewish people. King David and Jesus are descendants of Isaac. Followers of the Qur’an believe that God told Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael, future father of the Arabs, as a test of faith. In contrast, followers of the Judeo-Christian tradition believe it was Isaac, future the father of the Jews, that God told Abraham to sacrifice. They fight for centuries and that will never stop, thinking Israel can is totally unrealistic no mater how many Israel kill they will never be safe.

The biblical mumbojumbo may be of interest for devout Muslims and Jews, but not for me. I just recognize that it seems to be emotionally important for them. Relevant is that the area was inhibited by semitic speaking people since the 2nd millenium B.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

The name "Canaan" appears throughout the Bible as a geography associated with the "Promised Land". The demonym "Canaanites" serves as an ethnic catch-all term covering various indigenous populations—both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups—throughout the regions of the southern Levant. It is by far the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible. Biblical scholar Mark Smith, citing archaeological findings, suggests "that the Israelite culture largely overlapped with and derived from Canaanite culture... In short, Israelite culture was largely Canaanite in nature."

Note that the ancient Canaan not only covered today's Israel and Gaza and Westjordan, but modern Jordan and parts of modern northern Saudia Arabia as well.

However...
As usual, we disagree on most things... :)

Jerusalem also needs to be a city that is internationaly controlled. And free passage for all jews, muslims and christians. No internal politics involved

Among many other reasons: Gaza is crowded. The entire Gaza Strip has a population density of slightly less than 6,000 people per km² - almost twice the population density of Los Angeles.

Hmm will there ever be peace in this area of Middle east ?

No, not even if Israel should disappear from the map will there be peace.

Another thought:
How high is the chance that the Palestinians can take care of them self if Gaza should become independent-turn into a country ?

Markus

Zero. Nill. They had the place for centuries, and look what they had made of it or their society. Nothing.



Compare to what the Jews made of it within just 1-2 generations. :Kaleun_Applaud: Agriculture. Technology. Science. And all that against all odds.

Any country that gets backed up by the US and is given the tools can have a nice country.

Look at Saudie Arabia, also arabs/muslims, but they have better lives then Palestinians. Because the Saudis get support from the West.

If the US and the West start investing in the Gaza strip. It would become better. The Port investments can do wonders.

The Gaza strip is just a open prison...

Go ahead then, set an example. Invest your own money.

But dont come to me for a refund.



And ask yourself: where came the money from that Hamas used to buy European concrete that it used to build its tunnels? It came from Europe, and Germany, and the UN. And still does.

Don't forget that Israël is basically a new formed country during that time. Lots of potential to build. With help from the West.

Just like Germany was in ruins after WW2. but could rebuild there economy with the Western powers. It became a power house now in the EU.

Comparing the Gaza strip, that is cut off. Is difficult.
I do believe if the Gaza strip gets support from the West. Just like Israël recieved support, it has potential.

There i agree

Israel acts alone.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/i...ael-acts-alone

Israel achieved an awesome lot all by itself. Made itself a leader in certain academical branches, and technological research, and defence tech, and especially agriculture under desert circumstances. In its founding days, many in the West left it alone. Until today, the Europeans are split-tongued about Israel. Many European nations join the pro-Islamic anti-Israel block at the UN. So does Germany by its several abstentions in UN assembly votings where it refused to defend Israel. Since half a year Germany has de facto established a weapons embargo against Israel and blocks all deliveries to Israel.



We are heroes of words. And false friends by deeds.