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AVGWarhawk 05-01-25 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2955430)
Sorry, mate, but that's an apt description of yourself and -of course- your dear leader and the MAGA cult in general. It's always somebody else's fault, it's never yours. It's always Biden/Harris/Democrats/Women/LGBTQI+/Migrants/<insert anyone else that's not you here> who are to blame, never you.

Well, much can be said for Democrats. It is always, Trump/Pence/Vance/Republicans/white men/religion/skin heads/insert the deplorables. :doh:

Commander Wallace 05-01-25 09:49 AM

The Economic Situation in the U.S didn't happen overnight. We in the Electorate knew there would be some pain in converting from a largely a Service Economy to a Manufacturing Economy and Base. One has to wonder why those of foreign Countries are critical of these changes. It seems that they want the U.S to Fail and take much delight in it's pains. The question is why ? Could it be they know they can no longer ride the Gravy Train as supported on the backs of U.S Taxpayers ? Could it be that they fear the Economic impact of a determined and resurgent U.S on their respective market shares ?

The very definition of Insanity is to do the same things over and over, no matter how badly they failed and expecting different results.

It will take some effort and perseverance to " right the ship " we in the U.S are on. Many in the U.S understand the economic benefits of a strong manufacturing base. These changes will also secure the futures of those who are just coming out of High School and give them viable options regarding Occupational Vocations. Their issues then will be difficult in deciding which way to go. :yep: They will have many, many options. :) In my opinion, we are on the right course. I believe it's worth some pain to insure the futures of the Generations coming up after us and our Children and Grand children :yep: Everyone, no matter their respective Country of Origin wants that for their Country and Family.

What many in foreign Countries don't understand is the Democrat Party way of doing things and what they stand-and don't stand for. They want to be able to control and redirect and redistribute wealth. They want to control the Economy, Business and It's population and essentially take the Money that people make. Most people know this destroys any kind of incentives to work hard and build businesses. Most people know that small businesses are the backbone of the U.S or used to be.

Most people also understand that the Democratic Party way is simply Socialism. Throw in the racist policies of DEI initiatives, their support for the rights of Migrants over U.S Citizens and their attempts to undermine the Police and law and Order. This is the Democratic way and a recipe for disaster. The Democrats way needlessly places Americans in harms way and danger.

Keep in mind that the Democrats also wanted to outlaw and ban Guns and ownership of Firearms so the average Citizen wouldn't be able to protect themselves. An ugly picture starts to emerge. The Democrats are a Danger to the Republic and Democratic Country that the U.S remains to be. I'm thankful to say that the way of the Democrats are not the American way. I'm further gratified that my fellow Countrymen understand the dangers that the Democrats pose to our Republic. :yep:

AVGWarhawk 05-01-25 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2955461)
The Economic Situation in the U.S didn't happen overnight. We in the Electorate knew there would be some pain in converting from a largely a Service Economy to a Manufacturing Economy and Base. One has to wonder why those of foreign Countries are critical of these changes. It seems that they want the U.S to Fail and take much delight in it's pains. The question is why ? Could it be they know they can no longer ride the Gravy Train as supported on the backs of U.S Taxpayers ? Could it be that they fear the Economic impact of a determined and resurgent U.S on their respective market shares ?

The very definition of Insanity is to do the same things over and over, no matter how badly they failed and expecting different results.

It will take some effort and perseverance to " right the ship " we in the U.S are on. Many in the U.S understand the economic benefits of a strong manufacturing base. These changes will also secure the futures of those who are just coming out of High School and give them viable options regarding Occupational Vocations. Their issues then will be difficult in deciding which way to go. :yep: They will have many, many options. :) In my opinion, we are on the right course.


What many in foreign Countries don't understand is the Democrat Party way of doing things and what they stand-and don't stand for. They want to be able to control and redirect and redistribute wealth. They want to control the Economy, Business and It's population and essentially take the Money that people make. Most people know this destroys any kind of incentives to work hard and build businesses. Most people know that small businesses are the backbone of the U.S or used to be.

Most people also understand that the Democratic Party way is simply Socialism. Throw in the racist policies of DEI initiatives, their support for the rights of Migrants over U.S Citizens and their attempts to undermine the Police and law and Order. This is the Democratic way and a recipe for disaster. The Democrats way places Americans in Danger.

Keep in mind that the Democrats also wanted to outlaw and ban Guns and ownership of Firearms. An ugly picture starts to emerge. The Democrats are a Danger to the Republic and Democratic Country that the U.S remains to be. I'm thankful to say that the way of the Democrats are not the American way. I'm further gratified that my fellow Countrymen understand the dangers that the Democrats pose to our Republic. :yep:

Yet we are told that many do not want to perform manufacturing jobs. It does not take a rocket scientist to see there are multiple areas in the country that would welcome a manufacturing plant that offers stable jobs and a career at said factory. A better life. Youtube is full of videos of ghost communities in WV, MI, PA and beyond. Communities that had a manufacturing plant or two that since closed and move to China, etc. But we blame the workers and or union that forced higher wages. To some degree this is true. The entire country needs a reset of the mind as well as how we do business. As of late, all want a work from home job. :doh:

Commander Wallace 05-01-25 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2955462)
Yet we are told that many do not want to perform manufacturing jobs. It does not take a rocket scientist to see there are multiple areas in the country that would welcome a manufacturing plant that offers stable jobs and a career at said factory. A better life. Youtube is full of videos of ghost communities in WV, MI, PA and beyond. Communities that had a manufacturing plant or two that since closed and move to China, etc. But we blame the workers and or union that forced higher wages. To some degree this is true. The entire country needs a reset of the mind as well as how we do business. As of late, all want a work from home job. :doh:


Sadly, there is some truth to that as well. Maybe I'm old School. Like many here, I have an Education behind me. However, I never got away from the enjoyment of building things with my own hands. :yep: As you said, the entire Country needs a reset.

AVGWarhawk 05-01-25 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2955465)
Sadly, there is some truth to that as well. Maybe I'm old School. Like many here, I have an Education behind me. However, I never got away from the enjoyment of building things with my own hands. :yep: As you said, the entire Country needs a reset.

I have an education behind me as well. But I'm more mechanical minded. I will take things apart to see how they work!

Commander Wallace 05-01-25 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2955466)
I have an education behind me as well. But I'm more mechanical minded. I will take things apart to see how they work!


I knew you did, Chris. :yep: Your Buick Cars are proof positive of your Mechanical background. I know others here have a formal Education as well. Others here also have a Military background to go with their Education. That's one of the many reasons :subsim:

August 05-01-25 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2955462)
But we blame the workers and or union that forced higher wages.


I'd venture to say that an equal or greater cause is the government regulations and environmental restrictions that we impose on ourselves. Not that they are necessarily bad things but if China and the rest of the world don't have to abide by them it gives them an unfair competitive advantage. That alone justifies a sizable tariff on their goods.

AVGWarhawk 05-01-25 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2955480)
I'd venture to say that an equal or greater cause is the government regulations and environmental restrictions that we impose on ourselves. Not that they are necessarily bad things but if China and the rest of the world don't have to abide by them it gives them an unfair competitive advantage. That alone justifies a sizable tariff on their goods.

Excellent point!

Bubblehead1980 05-01-25 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2955408)
Sounds like Trump Derangement Syndrome to me.

TDS is actually Trump Devotion Syndrome. Yes, a lot of people STILL have it. People, who claim to love freedom, wave flags, talk about liberty etc. are supporting an objectively, provable neofascist demagogue and his regime of malevolent actors, who are actively, overtly breaking laws, infringing upon individual liberties such as due process, committing human rights violations, and other atrocities on a daily basis, but many (not all, as they are bleeding supporting heavily) remain hopelessly devoted to the orange buffoon. Cult of Personality, who are addicted to the validation of their ignorance, bigotry through the regime and propaganda. We've seen this movie before, it does not end well.

I had two friends who are from Germany call me on election night. Neither one know each other, one lives in Florida and one is in Germany. Both of them asked "What is wrong with your country?!" "How can so many people not see it?!" Complex answer but at the root of it is US has a severely undereducated adult population and both agreed, Americans are spoiled.

Americans do not have the collective cultural trauma of what fascism brings. America has it's pseudo fascist past, oppression etc but it has never been where we are now and where are heading under this regime. During WW II, while we suffered, we did not suffer the way Europe did. Our cities were not bombed out with millions did, left destitute. We didn't live the trauma of fascist regime in power prior to the war, their atrocities etc. Because of this lack of cultural trauma, the masses in the US did not see the danger of overt fascists such as Trump and company. While many do now, sadly, some still do not, in the face of incontrovertible evidence of their fascist rhetoric, actions, policies. Some are just undereducated and do not understand what they are witnessing as well. Many believe because of the exceptionalism propaganda ingrained in our culture, that we're immune to the fates of other nations. Then, you do have some who are nationalists, white supremacists, i.e. fascists who are cheering this on, until it turns on them. Dare to point this out with facts, evidence? They can neve respond with objective facts, evidence, just the lifeblood of Trumpism...fallacies, cognitive dissonance, conjecture, supposition, insults, gaslighting, and outright lies.

A favorite is the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" nonsense, which is such lazy, gaslighting, nonsense, a cliche' parroted answer to objective complaints, because there is no objectively logical, reasonable answer to defend him, to defend the indefensible, so they resort to gaslighting, projection, deflection, insults. etc.

AVGWarhawk 05-01-25 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 2955503)

I had two friends who are from Germany call me on election night. Neither one know each other, one lives in Florida and one is in Germany. Both of them asked "What is wrong with your country?!" "How can so many people not see it?!" Complex answer but at the root of it is US has a severely undereducated adult population and both agreed, Americans are spoiled.

Apparently your friends did not see Harris as she truly is. An idiot. A party that is still lost after the election and will not find their way for a long time. Say what you will, the overwhelming majority rejected the democratic/progressive/socialist idea of utopia. Us spoiled Americans, how dare we.....

u crank 05-01-25 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2955504)
Apparently your friends did not see Harris as she truly is. An idiot. A party that is still lost after the election and will not find their way for a long time. Say what you will, the overwhelming majority rejected the democratic/progressive/socialist idea of utopia. Us spoiled Americans, how dare we.....

Very good point. In all the complaining about the current administration we never hear anyone bragging about the accomplishments of the last one. That is usually how elections are decided. If the Democrats had actually made life better they probably would occupy the White House. It is not rocket science.

VipertheSniper 05-01-25 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2955504)
Apparently your friends did not see Harris as she truly is. An idiot. A party that is still lost after the election and will not find their way for a long time. Say what you will, the overwhelming majority rejected the democratic/progressive/socialist idea of utopia. Us spoiled Americans, how dare we.....

And Trump is what? a stable genius? Also what utopia did the dems promise?
They promised "more of the same" which clearly wasn't the right choice, as is evident from the dems dismal approval ratings, I still don't think Harris would've shot the US economy in the foot needlessly as Trump has done. Also the "overwhelming" majority you speak of is about 30% of eligible voters. That's a far cry from an overwhelming majority.

Commander Wallace 05-01-25 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 2955503)
People, who claim to love freedom, wave flags, talk about liberty etc. are supporting an objectively, provable neofascist demagogue and his regime of malevolent actors, who are actively, overtly breaking laws, infringing upon individual liberties such as due process, committing human rights violations, and other atrocities on a daily basis, but many (not all, as they are bleeding supporting heavily) remain hopelessly devoted to the orange buffoon.


I would very much like you to give us some examples of denial of due process. Further, please elaborate on these alleged atrocities you speak of. Really, any examples of the things you allege would be helpful in understanding your position. We all know that's not the case.

Otto Harkaman 05-01-25 11:06 PM

I just think the always comparison to fascism is hilarious its a whole different situation, for one thing there aren't millions of WW1 veterans sitting around mad at being governed by Jews.

I just don't understand the attacks, like is that suppose to make us change our minds? We only get to elect a POTUS every four years, and the DEMs lack any power at the moment to impeach him. So all this jibber jabber, talking for 25 hours nonstop, sitting on the capitol steps for hours or defending illegal aliens who have committed crimes here and in their own countries just is not going to get you the votes to change anything. Surprisingly I've had several people comment to me their dislike of all these Federal Judges stopping the POTUS's agenda.

Yeah you're mad at us for taking our country back, its going to be a long hard battle, but we will.

Commander Wallace 05-01-25 11:27 PM

:sign_yeah: Very well said, Otto. Hopefully, we can keep the momentum going so that we can see some real and positive change. :yep:


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