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Palestinians are people to and should be treated fair and not as second rang.

Israel tries all they can to avoid civilian causalities, by giving them a warning before they bomb the place/area - The only setback here is: The civilian only get around 5 minutes to flee the place/area before Israel start to bomb the place/area.

It has to be the Palestinians who should get rid of Hamas not the Israelis or us in the West.

Markus

Since 1947 to present, Palestinian lost their majority of land.
https://i.postimg.cc/TYmFd6Zd/Palestine-1947-20223.webp

Still I wouldn't call it stolen, more like conquered through wars.

I'm critical to their settlement policy though.

Markus

So now Putin has conquered 17 % of Ukraine is OK because he did not steal it Israel has occupied Palestine like Putin occupies part of Ukraine, rather hypocrite to say it is their land now.

No it's not the same-Ukraine did not attack Russia before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022.

It was the Arabian countries who attacked Israel in -48,-67 and - 73.
And it was Israel who ended these war by winning and take some land as a triumph

In one of the two last war, Israel conducted a preemptive strike on Egypt, almost destroying their air force.

Markus

Palestinian people are not the Arab nations those wars were between Israel and the Arab nations that land was Arab land, not Palestinian land the charts I showed are the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine adopted by the UN General Assembly on 29 November 1947 as Resolution 181. You all still don't understand the people of Palestine for them, victory is seeing Israel suffer. That's all they want, the more Palestine suffer, the more Israel suffer. Finally, after decades, Palestine reached a balance of power Israel F-16 versus Palestine bomber., This conflict will last for decades till both and really both have reached a point that they not see why they fight each other like the Troubles (Northern Ireland conflict) both sides could not see an end in their conflict they realized this could go one for a century without a victory. How many operations did israel launch because they were hurt because when Palestine blow up buses or massacre on Israelites it really hurts Israel and Israel want revenge? How often have they done that? How often must they repeat that? This is a infinite circle of revenge on revenge without any result.

The place that now is called Israel has been inhibited by Jews since ~3500 years.

And while they were temporarily being occupoied by forteign ivnaders, they were never dispossesed and driven away until the initial spread of Islam when after Muhammad's appearance Islam spread from what is now Saudi Arabia at all directions, pushing by force as long as it did not meet equal or superior counterforce and resistance. The Muslims were the first conquerors who did not just occupie but actually took over the land.

Thats why from a Jewish perspective today'S Israeli territory indeed is "their land". They were successful in the modern era to acchieve what other native minorities in other places like Australia or the US or South America could only dream of: to regain and take back what had been stolen from them during colonization but was theirs since - well, practically since always.

And Dargo, Palestinians ARE Arabs. The next bigger distinction one has to make is that between Arabs and Perisan (=Iranians). Arabs, Persians, Turks. These are the three big ethnicities sitting at the main playing table there. And as Arabs, orioginaslly the "Palestinians" were the occupoants and former conquestors of the land that was the Jew'S land since 3500 years and whio enver gave up that claim.

Modern view of the Palestinians has completely and totally reversed the victim-conqueror perspective here. Today thew narrative is Palesitnains Arabs are victims and Jews are the evil coinquerors. No, it has been exactly the other way around. The Jews were the victims and the Arabs were the conquerors.

And different to the Arabs who occupied the place for centuries and were not capable to make anything fertile, fruitful, construcive of it, the Jews over the past 150 years or so did do that. Lets not forget that the project to reclaim the land for the Jews did not start just after WW2, but already in the century before.

There is somewhere a text I once red, a transcript of a podium discussion between Jordan Peterson and Netanyahu, where one of the two, probably Netanyahu, laid all this out. I knew it beforte, but it was a fine summary for people not knowing it. I tried to find it, but with no success.

That gives them not the right to apartheid the palastinian people.

Here I agree with you-The Palestinians should be treated as human beings and not like some second rang trash.

Have there ever been a Palestine stat ?

If so:
What was their currency ?
What was the name of their Capital ?

Markus

Palestine has only administration rule there is no state the two state promise in the Oslo accords is rejected by yeah the same that now tries to total war Bibi.

Liusten, when the Arabs owend the palce for over one millenia since they took it over, they ecluded everybody and did not want naone there and they stole the farms and the land fro t he Jews and disowned them, and then they foudn they were incapbale to do anythign with that cpountry thenmslves, no there nor anywhere else, because its dry, desaolate spoil, barren land. Arab culture is stuck, unproductive, inable to invent and be creative, constructive, because the Quran is against all that, and mercilessly suffocates it all. When the Jews started ti return to that land i in the 19th century and later founded the state of Israel after WW2, they said they invite everbyody, every Arab to live in the state and even beocme citizen of it - as long as you obeyed the laws and practiced tolerance towards Jews and all others.



The Arabs were the onces practicing aparthaid. The Jews practiced tolerance and openness.


What you expect them to do is practicing suicidal tolerance towards people who want to kill them, and once again, for the second time, want to drive them out.



There could be not only peace but prosperity for everybody since many, many decades already. In Israel, and around it. But the Palestinian Arabs did not want that. They want to destroy the Jewish state instead, and they love their corrupt criminal leaders. They instrumentalize their self-inflicted misery, thats why I never have given and never will give a penny to their aid.

Many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. Bummer, there goes the theory I was first here. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews. https://www.science.org/content/arti...ecent-ancestry

The Jews never practised tolerance and openness. In the 1948 Palestine war, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs about half of Mandatory Palestine's predominantly Arab population were expelled or fled from their homes, at first by Zionist paramilitaries, and after the establishment of Israel, by its military. The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba. Dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme codenamed Operation Cast Thy bread, and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning. Later, a series of land and property laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented Arabs who had left from returning to their homes or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees. The existence of the so-called Law of Return allowing for immigration and naturalization of any Jewish person and their family to Israel, while a Palestinian right of return has been denied, has been cited as evidence for the charge that Israel practices apartheid. The status of the refugees, and in particular whether Israel will allow them the right to return to their homes, or compensate them, are key issues in the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

Yes, we are all ultimately descended from one and the same amoeba cell.

Na und...?

The kingdom of Israel and Judah was first founded in the 10th and 9th century, and before that, for roughly one millenia, there already lived Jewish tribes in that place, under adminstration and occupation by foreign occupiers maybe like the Egyptians, but the place was the Jews' and for most of that ancient time it was called Canaan. The land is Jewish since around three and a half millenia, thosznb their soveriengt yover it was interrupted. By the Egyptians. The Bycantines. The Greeks. The Romans. But the first occupiers that really tried to drive them off their land and take it over instead of just ruling over them and taxing them, were the Muslims.

It is crucial to remember that the Zionist entity's attempt to use ancient history as a justification for their settler-colonial project is deeply flawed and inherently unjust. Regardless of the ethnic origins of the Jews or who were first living in Israel, it does not grant anyone the right to displace, oppress, and ethnically cleanse the indigenous Palestinian population. The Palestinian people have a historical connection to the land, and their rights to self-determination and freedom should be respected.