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Well the summit started off well, I suppose half the world will be watching this!! The sound is rather poor though and I find it hard to understand.
Almost time for the second meeting!:yep:

I read the President's 1997 book The Art of the Comeback. This is why I voted for him ...

Kim's nukes do not make his country, or himself, safer. They have the opposite effect. An attack by North Korea on the United States or one of its allies would result in the annihilation of Kim and his country. Also, his nuclear capacity is not a deterrent to war. It is a threat that could be easily dealt with. More than anything else, this is why he wants to deal.

Especially, with his people dying of starvation, the Chinese cooperating with the US by not importing North Korean coal, Kim has to see the "handwriting on the wall", as it were. Deal, or die.

Hopefully, while alone with Rocket Man, Trump pulled a fast one on Bolton and offered Rocket Man all US troops leaving Korea in exchange for North Korean nuclear disarmament with our promise to also never return in exchange for their promise to not pursue or sell nukes or anything associated with them ever. :03:

Take that Military Industrial Complex, Ike was right!

Japan and South Korea we've put you where you are, now stand on your own two feet. Particularly Japan, we could have ended you for good, so I think we've been pretty generous all these years.

Did nobody else notice that NK pulled a 180 on the rhetoric and willingness to talk after their nuclear test site collapsed?

With their ability to make better bombs, which they would want to test, gone, they are pulling the wool over trump's eyes here. They are going to agree to give up something they have already lost, in return for easing of sanctions and such.

And I'm just now reading that Trump has agreed to stop war gaming with the South, and pull our troops backs and bring them home. Wonder how our close ally will feel about that.

He seems to have made his presidency about kowtowing to the countries we consider adversaries, while going out of his way to piss off our allies.

How the hell do you piss off Canada!?!?

A whole heap of nuthin with a bizarre video thrown in .

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Originally Posted by HerrRitter (Post 2557015)

Kim's nukes do not make his country, or himself, safer. They have the opposite effect. An attack by North Korea on the United States or one of its allies would result in the annihilation of Kim and his country.

Fundamental thinking error, it is very common, nevertheless wrong: who do you think have more to lose in a nuclear excnage: poor, underdeveloped North Korea, or rich, overbuild USA...? ;)

Destroying Pyongyan is one thing. Destroying the economical power house of Los Angeles is something very different.

Its like with the trade war between the uS and the EU: the side which has a trade surplus in goods and services, will lose it. Because it has more at stake.

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Originally Posted by Gargamel (Post 2557022)

He seems to have made his presidency about kowtowing to the countries we consider adversaries, while going out of his way to piss off our allies.

Pretty much how I see it :yep:

Trump Kim summit: Full text of the signed statement...

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Joint Statement of President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea at the Singapore Summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.

President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new US-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the US-DPRK summit - the first in history - was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in the joint statement fully and expeditiously.

The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the US-DPRK summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new US-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and the security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44453330

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Originally Posted by Gargamel (Post 2557022)

Did nobody else notice that NK pulled a 180 on the rhetoric and willingness to talk after their nuclear test site collapsed?

North Korea should allow us to inspect that test site for radiation. Something caused a problem there that led to this willingness to stop the testing.

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How the hell do you piss off Canada!?!?

So far it's just their leader ... it could get a lot worse. Trump won't back down and apologize that's for sure.

Wasn't there a rumor floating about that Kim might just be doing this because NK is on the road to bankruptcy around October? mind you, we hear things like that all the time.

^ That and the fact it is what China have demanded of him.

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro (Post 2557049)

So far it's just their leader ... it could get a lot worse.

Haha :har:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...5MzA@._V1_.jpg

Two supersized XXXXL-egos used lots of hot air to ping-pong it back and forth between them. In substance, nothign happened. A typical casino show - shallow, meaningless, short-lived, designed to paralyse the mind.

One hook in it, however. The Donald said that military exercises of the US will stop in the region. SKoreas got surprised by this, it seems. So was Japan. Both are concerned. And the world asks what American guarantees - especially security guarantees - will be worth anymore ( I do not give much for them anymore since many years, so this I cannot blame on the Donald alone...). Obama alienated the Middle East - Trump now takes care of Europe and the Far East. Team play.

And Kim? Had to give nothing to nevertheless get the stage, get the prestige, get the recognition, and to get the word on an end of manouvers. Taking a free ride. He had to give nothing for it. Rien. Nada. Nix. Gar nix.

Big deal maker? Big bluffer? Donny...? A gambit that loses you a pawn and you get no compensating advantage for it, is no gambit: it simply is a mistake.

Bid Donald will consume plenty of soap in the coming days in his attempt to clean off the blood from the many handshakes with Kim. Or he sprays just golden colour onto it - once a blender, always a blender. After all, while the big leader collected his PR jackpot, his people in NorthKorea were still suffering, and the many kills in Kim's record book also will not vanish all by themselves. How does you feel now while the world saw you shaking hands with a murderer and psychopathic criminal, Donald? As I just said - you got nothing in return for that.

You got nothing in return for embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2557083)

And Kim? Had to give nothing to get the stage, to get the prestige, to get the recognition, and to get the word on an end of manouvers.

A free meal, don't forget the free meal :03: