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Skybird 04-15-25 06:04 AM

Hey US ladies - Do your part! Wherever "Levy's" is on it, you should find American craftsmanship in it. Your men deserve to wear jeans made in the US!


https://saubere-kleidung.de/wp-conte...nt-factory.jpg
(Between 80 and 90% of Levy's production has been moved to South-East Asia and Central and South America).

Skybird 04-15-25 06:29 AM

[FAZ] Next round in the trade dispute: The government in Beijing has instructed Chinese airlines not to purchase any more aircraft from Boeing for the time being. This was reported by the financial service Bloomberg, citing people familiar with the matter. This is the world's second-largest economy's response to the sharp increase in tariffs on Chinese imports imposed by US President Donald Trump, which now amount to up to 145 percent for some products.
According to the report, Beijing has also demanded that Chinese airlines stop all purchases of aircraft-related equipment and parts from US companies. The order comes after China imposed retaliatory tariffs of 125% on American goods last weekend. These tariffs alone would have more than doubled the cost of US-made aircraft and parts, making it no longer viable for Chinese airlines to purchase Boeing aircraft.

The Chinese government is also looking at ways to support airlines that lease Boeing planes and face higher costs. The aircraft manufacturer's share price fell by up to 4.6 percent in pre-market trading. By the start of the week, its value had fallen by 10 percent since the beginning of the year.

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Knock-knock, Airbus - anyone there? :03:

Dowly 04-15-25 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2953386)
Ask yourself the same question Bud. You guys use tariffs to protect your industries from those dollar an hour Southeast Asian jobs too so why are we so evil for wanting to do the same thing?

You're not evil, I fully agree with the idea that countries should be more self sufficient from China. However, the way your current admnistration is doing it is not going to help any. From what I've seen, there is no plan to actually get that manufacturing back to the US and make it not only worth it for the companies, but worth it for the consumers who have to pay more for the products.

AVGWarhawk 04-15-25 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2953414)
My parents taught me that "But the others" wasn't a valid argument, and I learned and understood that when I was 4 or 5 years old.

Yes, but portraying this as something new does not work well either. Ignoring the courts by past presidents is not new. It does not need to be pointed out to prove some point that Trump is just felon, idiot, dope, and anything else you learned at 5 years of age.

AVGWarhawk 04-15-25 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2953419)
Hey US ladies - Do your part! Wherever "Levy's" is on it, you should find American craftsmanship in it. Your men deserve to wear jeans made in the US!


https://saubere-kleidung.de/wp-conte...nt-factory.jpg
(Between 80 and 90% of Levy's production has been moved to South-East Asia and Central and South America).

If one looks hard enough they can find jeans manufactured in America. Jeans Made in the USA for example. The price point is similar for jeans made elsewhere in the world.

mapuc 04-15-25 07:43 AM

Dave wrote that our doctors was government employees-Which they aren't-This lead me to a counter question:

Where does the American hospitals get their money from ? Running a hospital ain't exactly cheap. Getting the money from ordinary people(Patients) can't fill the gab or can it ?

Markus

AVGWarhawk 04-15-25 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 2953421)
You're not evil, I fully agree with the idea that countries should be more self sufficient from China. However, the way your current admnistration is doing it is not going to help any. From what I've seen, there is no plan to actually get that manufacturing back to the US and make it not only worth it for the companies, but worth it for the consumers who have to pay more for the products.

Sometime one just has to ripoff the bandage quickly. Trumps first term did in fact bring some manufacturing back to the USA. Then COVID. I'm ok with paying more for a product that will last.

Skybird 04-15-25 07:49 AM

Not from Germany, but Austria: 17 reasons why the winner of the trade war will be China.


https://www-andreas--unterberger-at...._x_tr_pto=wapp

AVGWarhawk 04-15-25 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2953427)
Dave wrote that our doctors was government employees-Which they aren't-This lead me to a counter question:

Where does the American hospitals get their money from ? Running a hospital ain't exactly cheap. Getting the money from ordinary people(Patients) can't fill the gab or can it ?

Markus

Hospitals in the USA are really a business. Their money is received via insurance companies for services rendered. Some folks do not have insurance but get treated. The cost for these folks is passed on to those who are paying health insurance. One of the sticking points of Obamacare.

mapuc 04-15-25 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2953430)
Hospitals in the USA are really a business. Their money is received via insurance companies for services rendered. Some folks do not have insurance but get treated. The cost for these folks is passed on to those who are paying health insurance. One of the sticking points of Obamacare.

Thank you, so they aren't getting any monetary support like the Harvard University from the government ?

Markus

AVGWarhawk 04-15-25 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2953431)
Thank you, so they aren't getting any monetary support like the Harvard University from the government ?

Markus

Yes, they do get federal aid(usually for the uninsured). Hospitals do accept large(usually to build a new wing) as well.

Good write up on the hospital system in the USA.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...he%20uninsured.

August 04-15-25 09:10 AM

Look at all the Euros claiming they don't have socialized health care.

Then why are you paying double the income tax and quadruple the sales tax I wonder? It's not like you're spending it on your military's.

mapuc 04-15-25 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2953436)
Look at all the Euros claiming they don't have socialized health care.

Then why are you paying double the income tax and quadruple the sales tax I wonder? It's not like you're spending it on your military's.

You're right we pay way to much taxes and our healthcare system does not work 100 % despite getting billions of Danish Kroner each year from the Regions.

Our elders are getting none eatable food each day despite they pay a salary per month and the retirement home is also getting money from the Regions*

* Regions is below the State and above the municipalities - Their main task is Healthcare and road service(Repair or make new roads etc)

So bottom line-We pay to much taxes when consider what we get for it.

Markus

Dowly 04-15-25 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2953428)
Sometime one just has to ripoff the bandage quickly. Trumps first term did in fact bring some manufacturing back to the USA. Then COVID. I'm ok with paying more for a product that will last.

But the crux of the issue is that you don't have the manufacturing ready or even planned to even replace the cheaper stuff yet alone your TVs, phones, components and other higher end stuff.


If it remains more cheaper for a company to keep their manufacturing in China even with the tariffs in place then the only one who are going to suffer for it are the american consumers and american small businesses that can't cover the higher import costs.

AVGWarhawk 04-15-25 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 2953445)
But the crux of the issue is that you don't have the manufacturing ready or even planned to even replace the cheaper stuff yet alone your TVs, phones, components and other higher end stuff.


If it remains more cheaper for a company to keep their manufacturing in China even with the tariffs in place then the only one who are going to suffer for it are the american consumers and american small businesses that can't cover the higher import costs.

On the contrary, there is manufacturing here of electronics and accessories. These manufactures, just as China did, can make these products. The issue is parts are obtained globally. That too needs to change. The USA can no longer throw their hands up and say it can't be done when it can. Certainly it will take time. Sure, some will keep buying the cheap items but I will pay a higher cost for a quality product. I will walk away for items from China and purchase American made. Case and point, I go on vacation and find a pottery shop that make coffee cups, plates and the like. A coffee cup is $35.00. Hand made and locally. I buy it. It lasts me for decades. Yet, I get a coffee cup from China that has printed on it "I love West Virginia" it fades after 3 dishwasher cycles. It now reads "I love V g in a". But I paid $10.00. No thanks. Never again.

I posted a few back that Americans needs to get out of their head the cheap labor and products are the only way. The USA is contributing to sweatshops and poor factory conditions. The USA is supporting a country that does not support much of any climate change initiative. The products are cheap and in the landfill in short order. People do not get the amount of money wasted on poorly made products from China. Not all from China is cheaply made but a majority of it is.


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