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mapuc 04-05-25 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2952086)
That's why it's called a world economy. Time to bring the entire auto industry back to the US. New parts, plants and aftermarket.

None of this will happen overnight. Nor was it expected. Improve cars made in the USA? I drive a Traverse made in MI. Not a single problem. I have a 2006 Mercury Mountaineer. 181000 miles. Still going! I purchased a 2006 VW Passat. Not but 30 minutes signing for it, it was on fire in my driveway. Dumped that pile of parts in 12 months. Junk.


I also drive a 54 and 60 Buick. American made. Still going.

You can't force the American consumer to buy American stuff like an American made car, if they prefer a German car or a Volvo-This is why some of these manufactors are moving their production to USA to avoid this tariff barrier.

Markus

Ostfriese 04-05-25 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2952086)
That's why it's called a world economy. Time to bring the entire auto industry back to the US. New parts, plants and aftermarket.


That would make American cars extremely expensive as well, with even small cars costing six-figure sums.

The 1950s are over. Yes, we know you want that time back, not just in terms of manufacturing, but the 50s are over and won't come back.

Skybird 04-05-25 09:46 AM

Jaguar has stopped delivering to the US.

August 04-05-25 09:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAnFYFalFrE

Otto Harkaman 04-05-25 09:59 AM

Jaguar Land Rover is currently in the midst of significant strategic adjustments amid a new wave of U.S. tariffs on imported vehicles. The British automaker announced a temporary shipment pause to the U.S.—a key export market—following President Trump’s imposition of a 25% tariff on foreign cars. The pause, lasting about a month, is part of JLR’s efforts to assess the impact of these tariffs and develop longer‐term plans to mitigate cost pressures on its luxury brands
reuters.com
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Meanwhile, the broader U.K. automotive sector is already feeling the squeeze. Production numbers are at record lows, and communities such as Solihull—home to one of JLR’s largest plants employing over 9,000 people—are bracing for potential job losses and wider economic fallout
theguardian.com
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On another front, Tata Motors, which owns Jaguar Land Rover, is actively reshaping its strategy. Tata is planning to both import JLR electric vehicles under India’s new EV policy—with significantly lower import duties—and to manufacture JLR cars at a new $1 billion plant in Tamil Nadu. These moves are aimed at expanding Tata’s footprint in a rapidly growing EV market and reducing reliance on fully built imports
m.economictimes.com
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Together, these developments highlight a challenging environment for Jaguar Land Rover, as it navigates tariff pressures, declining production figures, and shifting global manufacturing strategies.

August 04-05-25 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 2952070)
Oh, Russia, Belarus, and North Korea aren’t. How about that.


Maybe because we don't do any business with those countries. You can't tariff nothing, even if you could get past all the financial sanctions we currently impose on them.

Commander Wallace 04-05-25 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2952095)
Jaguar has stopped delivering to the US.


That's okay too. The last thing we need is a Car with Tranny problems. :haha:

Ostfriese 04-05-25 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2952102)
Maybe because we don't do any business with those countries. You can't tariff nothing, even if you could get past all the financial sanctions we currently impose on them.


The US doesn't do business with Heard Island and McDonalds Islands either, but they are on the list nevertheless.

Dargo 04-05-25 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2952086)
That's why it's called a world economy. Time to bring the entire auto industry back to the US. New parts, plants and aftermarket.

None of this will happen overnight. Nor was it expected. Improve cars made in the USA? I drive a Traverse made in MI. Not a single problem. I have a 2006 Mercury Mountaineer. 181000 miles. Still going! I purchased a 2006 VW Passat. Not but 30 minutes signing for it, it was on fire in my driveway. Dumped that pile of parts in 12 months. Junk.


I also drive a 54 and 60 Buick. American made. Still going.

World economy is a collaboration of countries worldwide that are tied together by economic activity building a wall has nothing to do with a world economy. I had a VW Caddy diesel with 248548.477 on it, sold it this year, but it is still going.

August 04-05-25 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2952110)
The US doesn't do business with Heard Island and McDonalds Islands

Neither are they under sanctions but it sounds like a minor mistake that will soon be corrected. According to the Beeb just a couple of years ago the US imported about $1.5 million from the territory, nearly all of it "machine and electrical parts". From what I understand it's because of shipments being labelled as coming from those islands instead of their actual origins but that's a lot of business from a territory that doesn't do business with the US as you claim.

AVGWarhawk 04-05-25 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2952089)
You can't force the American consumer to buy American stuff like an American made car, if they prefer a German car or a Volvo-This is why some of these manufactors are moving their production to USA to avoid this tariff barrier.

Markus

There you would be wrong. EV mandate. No more ICE. Only EV can be purchased. Gas powered blowers. OUTLAWED. Buy electric only. Gas fired furnace GONE. Get a heat pump. Gas cooking stove. NOPE. Get an electric cooking stove. You see, the American buying public CAN be forced to buy things. Welcome to the GREEN NEW DEAL forced on Americans. If the government can go so far as to demand the American buyers to purchase only electric run items, it can demand buying only American made products. Why? Because big government knows better than you.

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2952093)
That would make American cars extremely expensive as well, with even small cars costing six-figure sums.

The 1950s are over. Yes, we know you want that time back, not just in terms of manufacturing, but the 50s are over and won't come back.

The average price of a vehicle is $50k. The average monthy payment is $700. Buyers are paying well into the $100k range without blinking an eye. They will continue to do the same. Car loans were 3 to 5 years. Now they are getting beyond 10 years. It will continue to add years to pay off a car loan so people can afford them.

Wanting the 50's back in the sense that Americans are manufacturing products. Getting a living wage. A home. Family. All that is heard today is the service industry that American is, people cannot afford homes. Joe at the Ford plant in 1965 could afford a home. Joe's job opportunities today consist of McDonalds, 7-11 or cutting grass. Not much going for Joe.

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2952123)
World economy is a collaboration of countries worldwide that are tied together by economic activity building a wall has nothing to do with a world economy. I had a VW Caddy diesel with 248548.477 on it, sold it this year, but it is still going.

That is all well and go but the point here is these countries are profiting and not reciprocating.

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2952110)
The US doesn't do business with Heard Island and McDonalds Islands either, but they are on the list nevertheless.

What about Christmas Island?

Dargo 04-05-25 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2952131)
That is all well and go but the point here is these countries are profiting and not reciprocating.

The strategy of improving its own economy at the expense of its neighbour through trade barriers does not work has already been tried once. The result was higher inflation, lower growth, more taxation of working families and less of investors. Trading partners of the US will come up with retaliatory measures. US exports to countries that come up with countermeasures will fall as a result. Until you make monopoly, cheaper or better products, no one will really buy it if they can buy it somewhere else.

AVGWarhawk 04-05-25 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2952138)
The strategy of improving its own economy at the expense of its neighbour through trade barriers does not work has already been tried once. The result was higher inflation, lower growth, more taxation of working families and less of investors. Trading partners of the US will come up with retaliatory measures. US exports to countries that come up with countermeasures will fall as a result. Until you make monopoly, cheaper or better products, no one will really buy it if they can buy it somewhere else.

Our neighbors are improving their own economy at the USA expense. The tariffs are not one for one. USA economy is dying on the vine. Time for a change.

Not true concerning better products. I will pay extra for a quality product. Just today I had to replace an appliance bulb again. I replaced it 2 weeks ago. It did not burn out. It shattered. Thankfully the box came with a second bulb. The bulbs were made in China. Hope it lasts more than 2 weeks. I'd rather pay additional money for bulb that lasts more than 2 weeks.

Dargo 04-05-25 12:43 PM

The first light bulbs made had a lifespan of +100 years, so manufacturers made them of worse quality to earn more on their product. So this is not China faults like it is not of your neighbours that you fail to improve your economy, it is kinda childish thinking.

Catfish 04-05-25 12:46 PM

Don't know the exact word for this, ("international parallel manufacturing"?) anyway this means every country does and produces what it does and is able to do best, exchanging the best and mostly reasonably priced products with other counties involved. This kind of trade model has always lead to international wealth, also for poor people.

Using tarriffs has been tried before and always lead to more poverty, less spending power especially for the not-so-well-off, and lead to a decrease of personal life standards. And this internationally, and first and foremost for the country creating those tarriffs.
This is not a temporary result which will end in a shiny economy.


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