I'm not a Europe-hater old boy infact I'm far from it, and to prove it, the next time you see Alice Sara Ott who is a German\Japanese pianist ask her for a date on my behalf, oh yeah, and keep your bleeding mitts off her or else. :D

Alice Sara Ott.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I8AT3S3iRc

ok ok I will try not to comment on brexit in the future, but Johnson delivers those "Steilvorlagen" all the time, it is really hard :D

In the most basic terms I can muster this is how I, a Brexit voter admittedly, see things.

The EU in the beginning was a great idea imho especially as it was intended to promote free trade amongst Europe, therefore making everyone a winner.

What it has evolved into is something far more unmanageable and overpowering.

Freedom of travel is okay but what is not is the control of the government legislation and borders of all member countries through all the means we are all aware of, trade being a further example.

I believe all the above can be bundled into one word, 'Sovereignty' and that is one step too far for the majority of the British population especially bearing in mind what sacrifices they made in both world wars to re-establish that very position on the mainland of Europe.

I further believe Britain wishes to remain on good friendly/neighbourly terms with Europe but not at the price of being dictated to regarding just about every EU requirement that can be thrown at us.

Hopefully there will be a fair and transparent outcome by the end of the year, one that is acceptable to both sides.

Failing that, the present UK government were given a sizeable majority based on Brexit to carry on regardless and if that is the eventual outcome then that will be a shame because both sides will be damaged in terms of trade mainly.

Coincidence? :hmmm:

Catfish, I like Europe it's the EU that is the problem. I feel Europe would do better without this bloated organisation that is a sham.

The Corbyn legacy lives on.

Interesting times ahead? :hmmm:

You didn't address your comment to me, but I still feel need to strongly disagree with you. The EU is lightyears away from perfect, but so it has kept European countries away from each other's throuts except in verbal sense. Freedom of movement for capital, goods, servies and people without barriers has boosted economy in many countires in addition to practical advantages to the citizens of EU countries.


I'm not expert in these matters but I believe that we are now harvesting problems created during Cold War. At the time promises were made to the Eastern bloc countries that they would be welcome to the EU whenever they wanted. When time came to deliver these promises the EU and its existing member states chose set additional conditions for membership. Among others these included democracy, rule of law and human rights.


These conditions have led to situations where democracy, rule of law and human rights are applied only to minimum standard required to achive membership. Currently we are facing situation where some member states are questioning core values of the EU and at the same time there are no tools to enforce them. My personal opinion is that the EU as institution has focused too much into expansion without consideration for dissimilar values between former Western and Eastern bloc countries.


I believe that if no agreement is reached on sanctions to rule breakers, the EU should be broken into (atleast) two new organizations based on shared values rather than extension of status quo. Such break up could also simplify decision making in econimic questions as currently there are conflicting interests between regions of the EU (ofcourse this also happens in national level).

I'd be careful Boris if I were you, this could all blow up in your face.

Not wishing to appear over cynical but I can see this being abused by quite a few people.

Same old same old.

I can see this going down like a lead balloon with the public :nope:

There's the reference to fish again....punching way above its weight in my estimation.

If the EU want access to UK waters so baly, then come up with a decent deal both parties can agree upon.

Aye, its punching above its weight because this government has made it so, Bozo has to get this right or he's going to look like a bloody idiot, oh wait.....:O:

If they had negotiated a good fish deal in the first place this wouldn't be such a big issue, as it currently stands, you've got foreign fishermen coming over to British waters and taking upwards of half or more of any fish stock. It needs to be sorted out to the benefit of the British fishermen before any other trade negotiations take place, if the government sell out as they usually do most of that good will they've been given is going to be taken away, tread carefully Bozo. :haha:

Very brave or very stupid speaking out against the Left in the party?

My opinion, a bit of both.